Health Care is Not a Right - page 2

Before we get into it, I'm going into first year nursing... but I'm not some young kid. I'm 34, married with a family, studied philosophy in my early 20's, and lived well below the poverty line for... Read More

  1. by   MunoRN
    Quote from Tetra
    It's what is known as a "positive right" and it's something I'm vehemently against.
    You previously argued that in the case of fire services, those who pay into the system through taxes should receive access to those services, how do you see healthcare as being different?

    How should healthcare work in general in your view? If someone presents to an emergency room having a heart attack, which could result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs yet they can't show they can produce this amount of money at some point, what should occur in your view?
  2. by   Tetra
    Quote from MunoRN
    You previously argued that in the case of fire services, those who pay into the system through taxes should receive access to those services, how do you see healthcare as being different?

    How should healthcare work in general in your view? If someone presents to an emergency room having a heart attack, which could result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs yet they can't show they can produce this amount of money at some point, what should occur in your view?
    Excellent question, you either have health insurance that would cover the medical bills, or receive treatment that you would need to pay back at a later date.
  3. by   Chloe Price
    Lol, yikes.
  4. by   Fiona59
    By any chance are you a Freeman of the Land?

    You've already admitted to wanting a subsidized education. A heavily subsidized one by the time you finish that NP that talk about in another thread.

    You don't see anything wrong in the Canadian taxpayer helping you get the education that you then plan on using to flee to the US?

    America? Please take him. There seems to be no compassion in this individual and "the me and mine first" mentality is strong.
  5. by   Zyprexa


    I really like your point of view! I also agree that healthcare is not a right. My hard-earned money should not have to pay for the poor choices of others.
  6. by   brownbook
    I don't care what you call it. If someone's house is on fire I want it put out so my house doesn't catch on fire. I don't care who has paid what taxes. If someone has an illness I want them to get good health care. I don't want to see them prostrate on the street or spreading their contagious illness to me.
  7. by   Zyprexa
    Quote from Tetra
    Excellent question, you either have health insurance that would cover the medical bills, or receive treatment that you would need to pay back at a later date.
    What about those people who will not or cannot pay back the money? I'm thinking about frequent-flier homeless drug addicts who basically live in the ED.

    On the other hand, what about an extremely poor elderly man who suffers a stroke? He lives in a dilapidated old house, barely has enough to eat and has no one to take care of him.

    What should happen in these cases?
  8. by   Sour Lemon
    Quote from Tetra

    Are there exceptions?
    Obviously, those with zero capacity to care for themselves.
    That pretty much contradicts and undoes everything else you've said.
  9. by   Tetra
    Quote from Fiona59
    By any chance are you a Freeman of the Land?

    You've already admitted to wanting a subsidized education. A heavily subsidized one by the time you finish that NP that talk about in another thread.

    You don't see anything wrong in the Canadian taxpayer helping you get the education that you then plan on using to flee to the US?

    America? Please take him. There seems to be no compassion in this individual and "the me and mine first" mentality is strong.
    Paying for my tuition I most certainly have no problem doing. No idea where you thought I suggested otherwise...

    Ummm, no I'm not a Freeman on the land. lol I'm a libertarian.

    Yes I plan on being an NP, yes I plan on paying back everything I borrowed to get there, and yes I plan on leaving to the US.

    Just because I don't promote a socialist form of health care you think I'm compassionless? Nice try, I think that form of health care you're promoting is immoral... and will never advocate for it.
  10. by   Tetra
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    That pretty much contradicts and undoes everything else you've said.
    No, there are always exceptions. I'm just arguing it's not the rule.
  11. by   Fiona59
    Quote from Tetra
    Paying for my tuition I most certainly have no problem doing. No idea where you thought I suggested otherwise...

    Ummm, no I'm not a Freeman on the land. lol I'm a libertarian.

    Yes I plan on being an NP, yes I plan on paying back everything I borrowed to get there, and yes I plan on leaving to the US.

    Just because I don't promote a socialist form of health care you think I'm compassionless? Nice try, I think that form of health care you're promoting is immoral... and will never advocate for it.
    So are you going to contact your university and find out how much the course actually costs? Not how much a Canadian student pays? Overseas students pay twice what you will.

    And good luck with your preceptors and tutors.
  12. by   Tetra
    Quote from Zyprexa
    What about those people who will not or cannot pay back the money? I'm thinking about frequent-flier homeless drug addicts who basically live in the ED.

    On the other hand, what about an extremely poor elderly man who suffers a stroke? He lives in a dilapidated old house, barely has enough to eat and has no one to take care of him.

    What should happen in these cases?
    I don't play the (insert super sad story here) game. Nothing makes it right to take other people's money to pay for others medical care. It's immoral. It's not my right to take your money to pay for my broken leg.
  13. by   Tetra
    Quote from Fiona59
    So are you going to contact your university and find out how much the course actually costs? Not how much a Canadian student pays? Overseas students pay twice what you will.

    And good luck with your preceptors and tutors.
    I'm aware of the tuition costs. This is why I said earlier, it's hard being a Canadian libertarian. Canadian socialist values go against my nature. However, I always try my best to not take advantage of this system, and live as free from it as possible.

    Thanks for the good luck wishes, I'm sure I'll need it.

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