Emergency Nursing Supply Relief Act, HR 5924

I have also worked with many, many foreign trained nurses and U.S trained staff, and have found great differences in their skill levels and attitudes -this is only my opinion:

...th..st section of Country A: nurses are less skilled. They are also much more timid in their nursing, and this is a determent when aggression is needed. I have found them to be poor patient advocates due to this lack of aggression.

I have also worked with many, many foreign trained nurses and U.S trained staff, and have found great differences in their skill levels and attitudes -this is only my opinion:

...th..st section of Country A: nurses are less skilled. They are also much more timid in their nursing, and this is a determent when aggression is needed. I have found them to be poor patient advocates due to this lack of aggression.

...th..st section of Country B: nurses have a lackadaisical approach toward nursing. If it gets done or doesn't ... makes no difference.

...th..st portion of Country C: nurses have a greater propensity towards... for lack of a better word, irritation. I have followed many from this section of Country C who have not advocated for their pt's pain control. A nurse friend from Country C explained that complaining of pain is considered "whining" in her area of the country, and she has actually had to consciously change her attitude toward pain control.

...th..st portion of Country D: I have followed more than a few from this area, and regretted even taking report. These nurses prefer sitting to working.

...th..st area of Country E: less team motivated. They are more self assured- disregarding other staff or even the patient. Two heads are not better than one, in their opinion.

We have to acknowledge that there are important differences in nursing from different parts of different countries, including the U.S.

What does "...th..st" mean? And do you actually have specific countries in mind when you say Country A, B, C, etc?

Come on. Cowardly, plain foolish, AND ignorant?
This was my opinion. Are you seriously telling me that I voiced my opinion wrongly? That I should have done it....differently?
Perhaps YOU should consider THAT.
You just told an online poster at a nursing forum that she gave her opinion wrongly...that in itself is very telling.
It doesn't take courage to be untactful online. This is a good nursing website, and it much more enjoyable with posters being considerate, which I was doing.
It would be extremely bad form to list the areas of countries, as this is my opinion, and it isn't meant as an attack.
Yes, I can look on a map and say.. "nurses from this area are less aggressive than nurses from this other ares." Anyone can.
Aren't New Yorkers known for their aggression? Can you not compare these nurses with less aggressive southerners?
(Go Yankees!!)
I believe 'inherently' is not the word I would use. Tradition, culture, history, necessity...these all combine in producing certain qualities in groups of people.
And, as we all list our qualities differently in order of importance, it is easier to see less desirable qualities in others while being completely oblivious to their more desirable qualities.
And, of course, we all believe that our way is the best way, don't we?

The less aggressive nurses I originally spoke of were not from the south, or even from this country. I just used that trait as an example.
Wow, you assumed that my end sentence was about you?
No- I meant it- we all think our way is the right way.
That is why I can have the opinions that I have- because I believe that the traits in my culture are the most desirable. We all think our opinions are right. That is why you post like you do- you believe yourself to be right, and others wrong.
And, trust me, I am not offended by your skepticism.
Thank you for your concern regarding my feelings. It is nice to know that there are sensitive men in the world.

Many women, in various places, are taught to be non-aggressive, compliant, non questioning of authority. This is undeniable, and you CAN use longitude and latitude to point directly to areas and countries that encourage this trait.

I have seen this trait in nurses. Reluctance to call Physicians, reluctance to question orders or instruction, less aggressive patient advocacy.
This does not mean they are poor nurses, but patient advocacy is emphasized strongly in the U.S., and so this could be seen as an less desirable trait in a nurse.


I see it as a less desirable trait. If a patient is in need, I expect that nurse to advocate until that need is addressed.

As far as skill- please refer to post #28 by gemninja
"My mom is a foreign nurse who has 20 plus years of experience now in the US and is one of the most knowledgable and competent nurses. But even my mother has said she worked so hard once she got here to understand the US nursing system because the country she is from the RN's there do not get the training they get here. I rather not say where to not cause any fights."

Some foreign nurses do not have the skill level as nurses in the U.S. due to their training. We cannot sugar coat it. Nursing education is different, and this fact is acknowledged. Those skill levels raise with additional training. So, yes, "less skilled".

For the greater offenses- lazy, irritating, non empathetic-
Some will tell you, others will ignore, others defend.
I'm not going to point toward any direction-
BUT YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!

It is so sad, isn't it? But we have all worked with people with a chip on their shoulder.
And they come from all over the globe, don't they?