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No. 10
from elkpark
Old Aug 13, 2008, 07:23 AM

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I do not support this bill, have contacted my congressional representatives (Rep and both Senators) to urge them to vote against this measure, and have encouraged all my friends to do the same.

BTW, Alan, you can't "contact Jim" via the website unless you are actually one of his constituents (live in his district in WI).

The real problem is not a shortage of nurses, it's a shortage of nurses willing to put up with the lousy working conditions in so many facilities. Until that problem is addressed and ameliorated, nothing will change. We are already churning out huge waves of new grads every year, but large numbers of them get burned out quickly and leave the field, along with all the seasoned, experienced RNs who are "voting with their feet" and leaving.
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No. 11
Old Aug 13, 2008, 10:42 AM

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On a related note:

Monday, August 11, 2008
US Seeks More Foreign Doctors, Medical Students
http://educationusaintaiwan.blogspot...s-medical.html

Recent studies suggest the United States health care system will soon experience a shortage of doctors and medical professionals. This is leading to increased efforts to attract foreign doctors and medical students to the United States. John Featherly narrates.

Experts say several states have or will soon experience shortages of physicians in a variety of specialties, including cardiology, radiology, surgery and pediatrics.

Dr. Susan Wolfsthal, the director of the University of Maryland's Residency Program, says the United States needs more doctors in all specialties. "There are some parts of the United States where there are many, many physicians and it is very easy for patients to have access to clinical care. And then there are other areas of the United States where there is less and there might be only one physician for many thousands of patients."

This shortage is putting pressure on American medical schools to increase enrollment and on the U.S. government to allow more foreign doctors into the country.

U.S. Congressman Rob Simmons says the United States needs these foreign nationals. "We have people who come to the United States to provide nursing care and medical care and gosh knows we need all the help we can get."

Educators, including Wolfsthal, say foreign students can gain valuable experience and knowledge studying in the United States and working in U.S. hospitals. "You get the same exposure, you get the same opportunity to see whether this is something you are interested in and they also get to see you in action."

Sonia Yousef, a rheumatology fellow at the University of Maryland, says foreign students should try to have well-rounded experiences before coming to the United States.

"So you should try to do some volunteer work, anyways it’s good, and that looks good on your resume as well. So that is probably the fourth thing, but it is not as important as clinical experience."

Wolfsthal says universities value the diversity international students bring. "When you have international graduates they bring, as someone from another institution would, they bring a different perspective, they have different interests and so they bring that to the program."

Experts and educators say foreign medical students and doctors gain a lot from their time spent in the United states. They say working in American hospitals and studying at universities in the United States gives foreign students and doctors a chance to work with the latest technology and to grow professionally.
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No. 12
Old Aug 14, 2008, 07:10 PM
Updated Aug 14, 2008 at 07:12 PM by alan headbloom

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Herring, MC, NNH, Pointe, RN, and Elkpark,

Thanks for offering some reasons which counter Rep. Sensenbrenner's plea. I'll follow this proposed legislation with great interest. In the mean time, I'll offer a wonderful quote I just read today. :-)

Alan


“If everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn’t thinking.”
-- Gen. George Patton
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No. 13
Old Aug 14, 2008, 07:15 PM

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"For every problem there is a solution that is simple, neat and wrong"
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No. 14
Old Aug 14, 2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tothepointe View Post
"For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong."


--H.L. Mencken


What strikes me as "simple" about this proposed legislation is its need to quickly import lots of trained nurses. What strikes me as a longer-term view in this bill is its goal to expand training for American nurses and nursing students so they can fill the anticipated vacancies. If the bill limits the number of years which allow increased immigration, then the stop-gap influx of foreign nurses would eventually be replaced by numbers of qualified domestic graduates. Does that seem like a plan, or am I missing something else? Maybe some of you who have a historical sense of practice and policy around these issues could add some comments here.
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No. 15
from herring_RN
Old Aug 14, 2008, 11:28 PM

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I think it is just as important to improve the conditions in our healthcare facilities.
Safe staffing and whistle blower protection from retaliation for staff, patients, and families will be a start.

What else?
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No. 16
from RN1989
Old Aug 15, 2008, 01:20 AM

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The bill can limit the number of years to allow the influx of foreign nurses but it won't solve the problem. When the time period is up and employers have done nothing to fix the problems and get American nurses back in the trenches, another idiot will suggest another bill to let more foreign nurses in AGAIN. It will just keep repeating itself.

The cycle has to be broken! Only when the general public REALLY suffers from the lack of nurses, then they will demand a fix. If there aren't foreign nurses to fall back on, the hospitals will be forced to improve things.
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No. 17
Old Aug 15, 2008, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RN1989 View Post
The bill can limit the number of years to allow the influx of foreign nurses but it won't solve the problem. When the time period is up and employers have done nothing to fix the problems and get American nurses back in the trenches, another idiot will suggest another bill to let more foreign nurses in AGAIN. It will just keep repeating itself.

The cycle has to be broken! Only when the general public REALLY suffers from the lack of nurses, then they will demand a fix. If there aren't foreign nurses to fall back on, the hospitals will be forced to improve things.
1989,

So, in the best-case scenario, what would be the main points of your proposed legislation? Or are you not talking about legislation? Are you talking about revamping the economic system?

Alan
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No. 18
Old Aug 15, 2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by alan headbloom View Post

--H.L. Mencken


What strikes me as "simple" about this proposed legislation is its need to quickly import lots of trained nurses. What strikes me as a longer-term view in this bill is its goal to expand training for American nurses and nursing students so they can fill the anticipated vacancies. If the bill limits the number of years which allow increased immigration, then the stop-gap influx of foreign nurses would eventually be replaced by numbers of qualified domestic graduates. Does that seem like a plan, or am I missing something else? Maybe some of you who have a historical sense of practice and policy around these issues could add some comments here.
Thanks I couldn't remember who to attribute it to and was to busy to google it
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No. 19
Old Aug 15, 2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by alan headbloom View Post
1989,

So, in the best-case scenario, what would be the main points of your proposed legislation? Or are you not talking about legislation? Are you talking about revamping the economic system?

Alan
There are so many legal US residents and citizens that are chomping at the bit to train as nurses and many more that have left due to the conditions. My suggestions for legislation would be a subsidy for nursing instructors so nursing schools can pay them a competitive wage for public schools and tax incentives for private schools to do the same. Heck offer tax benefits to nursing instructors personally but importing nurses is not the answer and I am an immigrant myself ( almost a citizen now yah! can't wait to wave my little flag)

The problem a lot of people have about immigrants workers that I hear alot is the fact that many NOT all come here to seek a higher paying job so they can send money back home (ie out of the economy) or to seek to sponosor the next person in. Again these are all admiral goals but since US legislation in this matter should support current US residents and citizens I don't it should be the focus.

There should also be a provision for more grants for those seeking higher degrees in order to teach.
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