Re: Emergency Nurse Relief Act 2009- Update Originally Posted by 2BSure
First of all what does it matter if I am from the moon? Are you seeking to nullyfy my argument purely based on that you think I am a Brit? Also, having a British mommy neither makes you an authority on Britain nor its foreign policy. In fact, I guarantee you have no idea how many countries Britain has formal open immigration policies with. From your accusation, of them having a jingoistic immigration policy, you essentially think there are none. Wrong-o my little friend.
Any crackpot with internet access can post an article that would come up in a Google search. Try searching for one's that claim Elvis still lives or that alien abductions happen. Your sources are skewed. The information that this government gets is information based of census data and that which is supplied by our own profession (hence my suggestion that you look for your own BONs white paper on this subject). Now if you reject out of hand the reasoning for bringing nurses from abroad because don't trust our profession (BONs and similar) and you don't trust the government, fine. But your scope of data collection for your argument (uncited google sources and "friends of mine") hardly move me to even consider your opinion has merit.
You still did not address how American nurses better serve culturally. Serve who better, culturally? And how (specifically)?
Thank God for foreign nurses because they prevent us from having to hire some of the dross out there out of sheer desperation.
Its mummy, not mommy!
As for the indictment of my sources, I am certainly not trying to turn this into rn2tobe's little research project. My point is that it does not take a genius to find articles from reputable journals/sites that demonstrate that there is a shortage of job openings in this field. My personal experience with this topic is backed up by just about every other possible way of verifying what I see: listings for job openings, accounts from local hospital recruiters, accounts from other nursing students, the news media, folks on this site, etc.
How about you do the research? Why don't you find for us some incredibly reputable bullet proof source that says, "This is all tosh. There are TONS of jobs for new nurses right now.)?
I went to college and can read pretty well so it didn't take me too long to use a little critical thinking and come to the conclusion that other countries' immigration policies (especially Europe) are quite a bit more stringent then ours are. My conclusions are certainly backed up by what I have seen in Europeans I know. As for open immigration policies, they certainly allow other Europeans to come and go according to their needs, you have that right. Generally speaking for the rest of us, not so much. (Although I give you credit for a clever phrasing since it clearly paints a picture quite different from the reality of immigration there.)
White papers talk about a proposed shortage in the future. The fact remains that there is no shortage. Dance around it all you want. There is no shortage of registered nurses in this country. Also, it is my opinion (oh yes, I have one) that the white papers might turn out to be wrong.
1. The idea that doctors offices will hire nurses in the future sounds like academic fluff. There is a trend away from hiring RNs and towards hiring techs. Who is to say that there will or won't be openings in the future?
2. LTCs and home health will have in the future more openings for Registered Nurses. Again, who is to say that they won't hire techs? Who says that these openings will actually exist? What if the landscape of health care changes and we no longer see large numbers of folks using these services?
3. Hospitals will have more openings for staff nurses. Do they now? What if they don't? What if the current decline in patient census (censi?) continues for the duration?
4. There are licensed nurses in this country who do not work. What would stop them from returning to the bedside? Anecdotally, it appears some of them have.
5. Retirement. God bless the baby boomers! I swear those folks plan to work themselves into the grave. Who says they are going to retire? Did they say this? No. The studies looked at their age not their individual plans and now there are general concerns about retirement savings and the recent downturn. Why would they retire? (Funny how a study about nursing openings doesn't ask nurses what their plans are!!)
I have a healthy respect for people who do research and the data that is collected but I see a lot of research being done by folks that haven't nursed since dinosaurs roamed the Earth. I suppose that I tend to take it with a grain of salt.
Regardless, my opinion has merit because I am a voter, a taxpayer and a citizen. I am a cautious person as well. Why would we even consider importing nurses for openings that don't exist?
I am sorry you don't like some of our newbie nursing grads but that is not a reason to hand out visas like candy.
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