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  1. by   sandygator
    htp://www.townhall.com
  2. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from Sandygator
    htp://www.townhall.com
    Is there a particular article on this topic here?
    http://www.townhall.com/
  3. by   jyoung1950
    (because i believe there are accredited reputable schools that don't take a dime of taxpayer money or assistance),

    north of pittsburgh, pa is a college called grove city. doesn't take any federal or state monies.
  4. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from jyoung1950
    (because i believe there are accredited reputable schools that don't take a dime of taxpayer money or assistance),

    north of pittsburgh, pa is a college called grove city. doesn't take any federal or state monies.
    grove city does take state tax dollars indirectly. it accepts state grant dollars for student financial aids.
    Last edit by HM2VikingRN on Jun 13, '07
  5. by   DarrenWright
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Grove City does take state tax dollars indirectly. It accepts state grant dollars for student financial aids.
    No they don't.

    Since I've had friends graduate from that college, I'd like to know the names of these state grants.
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from darrenwright
    no they don't.

    since i've had friends graduate from that college, i'd like to know the names of these state grants.

    pheaa state grant

    the pennsylvania higher education assistance agency's need-based grant is the college's largest outside source of need-based financial aid for our students.

    the fafsa must be completed to apply for the pheaa state grant by may 1st. for complete information and instructions for completing the fafsa go to www.pheaa.org.
    http://www.gcc.edu/state_grants___scholarships.php
  7. by   DarrenWright
    PHEAA is an independent agency and is not tax-supported. The money those students receive does not come from tax revenue.

    These may be labeled "state grants," but this in no way correlates with your claim that GCC takes "state tax dollars indirectly."

    PHEAA's income is derived from interest revenue and business activity, not from the taxpayers. Sorry to point out your presumptive error.
  8. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from DarrenWright
    PHEAA is an independent agency and is not tax-supported. The money those students receive does not come from tax revenue.

    These may be labeled "state grants," but this in no way correlates with your claim that GCC takes "state tax dollars indirectly."

    PHEAA's income is derived from interest revenue and business activity, not from the taxpayers. Sorry to point out your presumptive error.
    Not a presumptive error... Who provided the seed money for PHEAA? More than likely it was initially funded by the legislature of PA which does make it a stater source of revenue.
  9. by   KellNY
    If you want to get really into it, I'd be willing to make a bet that at least one student in all GCC's years came from a family who received welfare cash assistance and/or Earned Income Credit, and that some of that money went into paying for the tuition, thus funding GCC with tax dollars, admittedly indirectly.

    Or that some of the students at one time were on medicaid and/or received food stamps that enabled them to succeed in high school, thus earning the above average grades required to attend this institution, thus PA tax money indirectly benefitting (though not being paid to) GCC.

    If you wanna get really into it, that is.

    But this is a religious institution that makes a very specific point to be as independant as possible--really that seems to be a large part of their gimmik, their draw. That makes this, IMO, a moot point.
  10. by   DarrenWright
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Not a presumptive error... Who provided the seed money for PHEAA? More than likely it was initially funded by the legislature of PA which does make it a stater source of revenue.
    But you don't know that, and there is not one single reference to support your "more-than-likely." Facts are essential. PHEAA started out as a loan guarantor company, not as a grant provider. The fact is that it is not a tax-funded agency.

    Kell's post is just splitting hairs. And it's as relevant as saying that a church organization should be subject to government oversight because a welfare recipient made a donation to a religious cause.
  11. by   HM2VikingRN
    If I really wanted to I could go dig up the legislative history to list out the enabling legislation to show the history of the program.

    However the website of the college directly references "state" grants which in and of itself implies taxpayer involvement in funding of student education.

    FWIW borrowing money at a higher interest rate from "alternative" loans to attend school advances the broad interests of neither the student or society.
  12. by   Lisa CCU RN
    Quote from spacenurse
    How about required education for people on welfare? Not just hand outs because too many don't read well.
    Seems all the sources recomment beans.
    I love beans! They do need a grain such as rice or wheat.

    Chili over corn bread - red beans and rice, YUM!


    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=15691

    http://nutrition.suite101.com/articl...ng_on_a_budget

    http://www.peertrainer.com/LoungeCom...ThreadID=41708

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ed_budget.html
    It's funny you say that. In TN, I've heard that they are removing school as a way to qualify for families first. Now all you can do is work 40 hours, but guess what? Working 40 hours a week at McDonald's disqualifies you for TANF and they offer no health insurance benefits and you CANNOT live off of it if you are single.

    I am one of those people who is attending school and is using benefits to survive. I get food stamps and medicaid. I wanted comment on the food stamp deal too. You don't have to pay to get food stamps and I have always gotten MORE than enough food, even fresh fruits and veggies with them.
    I wish that my children's father would take responsibilty for them, but I can't control his inaction. All I can do is go to school and graduate and take care of my kids. I am glad that there are programs to help people who really need it.
  13. by   DarrenWright
    Quote from HM2Viking
    If I really wanted to I could go dig up the legislative history to list out the enabling legislation to show the history of the program.

    However the website of the college directly references "state" grants which in and of itself implies taxpayer involvement in funding of student education.

    FWIW borrowing money at a higher interest rate from "alternative" loans to attend school advances the broad interests of neither the student or society.
    Doesn't matter what is implied.

    What matters is the TRUTH, and the truth is that it is NOT a tax-funded program, and it is not operated by the gov't. It operates without taking a dime of taxpayer money. And don't tell me what you COULD do, show me what you've done. Enabling legislation has nothing to do with it; what matters is the source of funding, especially in this discussion where you've clearly claimed that the college is a recipient of tax dollars when such is simply not the case.

    Your observation on loans is not relevant to this discussion. While I don't disagree with the modern process of taking on huge debt for school, I personally have never taken this route and think that taking out more than a few dollars in educational loans is simply not a good financial strategy.
    Last edit by DarrenWright on Jun 16, '07

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