Dozens of nurses at Northern California hospital balk at wearing locators - page 5

About two dozen nurses at Eden Medical Center near San Jose, Calif., have turned in the personal locator devices the hospital had required them to wear. The hospital contends the devices help provide... Read More

  1. by   Youda
    Can't resist this . . .
    You know the saying. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get you.
  2. by   Sleepyeyes
    Well, I for one appreciate the revealing posts about NM.
    I was beginning to suspect he was a management plant.

  3. by   NMAguiar
    Last edit by NMAguiar on Sep 20, '02
  4. by   BPruitt
    As the money begins to increase -- as it has recently on the West Coast -- medical personnel need to remain focused on why they accepted their jobs. They can't be rubber stamps for either organized labor or hospital administrations. They have to recognize the faults -- like job burnout -- that creep into all of us over time.

    There are hard times coming to heath care. In California, 12 HMOs have failed so far this year and many others are in dire financial straights. It will require truthful awareness of the issues, not raw activism, to deal with these challenges. But with people on the front lines like NMAguiar, I trust we will survive.

    I've composed a piece on our forums stating my further feelings on this subject. I have no illusions that anything I write here, no matter how articulate, won't be likewise attacked, ridiculed and minimized. But journalists have always dealt with all forms of censorship with a smile.
    Last edit by canoehead on Oct 2, '02
  5. by   Sleepyeyes
    Originally posted by BPruitt, editor
    I have no illusions that anything I write here, no matter how articulate, won't be likewise attacked, ridiculed and minimized. But journalists have always dealt with all forms of censorship with a smile.
    Censorship?
    Censorship???

    I fail to see how any of the responses in this thread could possibly be misconstrued as "censorship." Unless you are referring to NM's deletion of his own posts.
  6. by   MollyMo
    I didn't like the idea of phones at first. They had a bad habit of ringing while I was in the bathroom or performing a dressing change or some other sterile procedure or if I was in isolation. Then the light bulb went off. Turn the darn thing off when I didn't want to or couldn't answer it. The phone did come in handy when I needed to code a patient. The entire code team was beeped in one fell swoop and responded in record time. The hospital I work at now tried the phones but the nurses refused to carry them. It would have helped the one night a patient was having seizures and his nurse was on her 5th smoke break( a slight exaggeration). The phone also helped me the night a patient went AWOL. Security and the supervisor were notified quickly. I didn't like the idea at first. My unit is small so I don't carry the phone at all times. But you better believe I use it. As for the locators, the ones I used in Arizona were used to locate a nurse in the patient's room, utility room, supply room, places like that. They didn't sense you in the bathroom or in the lounge. If you were on the floor and busy you just dropped it below your waist and it couldn't sense you. When you walked in the patient's room the locator turned off the call light which saved the aggravation of trying to climb over equipment to do it. The locators almost totally eliminated paging because we knew where you were. Since I work nights and paging isn't allowed after 10pm, the locaters were useful. Change isn't easy, but sometimes it's worthwhile.
  7. by   sjoe
    fellow posters: if you don't want to deal with posts you find inappropriate, offensive, pointless, etc. simply use the "ignore" option you will find in the poster's profile. You will, in the future, be relieved of seeing any more of this person's posts.
  8. by   purplemania
    I quit wearing mine when I was changing a sterile dressing, could not stop to shut the thing off and had complaint that I refused to answer page. After that, I never put it on again. Other nurses took same attitude and the expensive device now just sits in a box. Waste of time, money and created ill will.
  9. by   Scavenger'sWife
    The hospital I work for has all floor staff wear locators (tracers) (RN, LPN, NA). A light above the patients' doors will light up green for nurses and amber for NA. Helpful to be able to look down the hall and see where the staff members are. They do NOT light up in the toilet. They do NOT do any other function (time us, or serve as monitors, or whatever). And, as another poster here said, if you drop them below your waist, or (on ours) if you turn them over, they will not pick up. They will also turn off the patient call light when we walk into the room. That is really nice.

    We also carry pager-type devices. They "buzz" vibrate or chirp depending on how you set them. Nurses' pagers are set to go off with the telemetry - they will show on screen "213A: VTACH" or some other message depending on how the tele is set for that patient. They are also programmed each day to reflect call-light messages for your own block of patients. The pagers for NA are set to only reflect call-lights, since they do not need to know tele messages. The pagers are NOT able to call each other, nor can anyone call me specifically. They are only "messages".

    We also carry cell phones. My biggest complaint with these is the size of them. They are way too large and heavy. But the front desk can call me with stat reports, messages, forward phone calls from doctors or families, etc. To me, it is great because I don't have to drop everything and run to find someone for a phone call. And I don't have to wait at the front desk for a doctor to return a call to me. Etc., etc., etc.

    As I said, my personal belief, as for the devices that I carry at work, is that they are great time-savers. My only gripe about the pager and phone is their weight. I already carry everything but the kitchen sink in my pockets, and these things serve to weigh down my pockets even more. I have recently lost some weight, and my larger-than-they-used-to-be scrubs are listing heavily to one side some days!

    So does it sound like I am a sell-out? I don't care. I like the devices I carry and will use them as I wish. It doesn't sound like my hospital's devices are quite the same as the diabolical "dog-collar" devices some of you describe. I would NOT wear those devices AT ALL...EVER. There is a difference between TRACER and TRACKER!

    As for the "other topic" on this thread.....how about getting back to the subject?

    Love to all.......
  10. by   canoehead
    OK folks, I've spent a lousy hour cleaning up all the rotten tomatoes people are throwing at each other. If a post was spent ragging on someone else instead of talking about the subject at hand it was removed. This is not intended to insult anyone, just to keep the conversation on topic.

    I notice there are still people that want to discuss the locater badges and it's a good discussion- but please debate the topic, not the poster's character. It's not nice to read and all this work makes the moderators cranky.

    Thanks a lot. PM me if you feel you need to.
  11. by   sjoe
    Thanks, canoe. You moderators bust your butts for us.

    It's so easy to just use the "ignore" feature when we find someone annoying, instead of getting mired down in arguments and name-calling. I highly recommend it to one and all.
    Last edit by sjoe on Oct 2, '02
  12. by   Scavenger'sWife
    Thanks, canoe. You moderators do a great job and need some pats-on-the-back. Consider yourself patted!!
  13. by   rebelwaclause
    Originally posted by canoehead
    OK folks, I've spent a lousy hour cleaning up all the rotten tomatoes people are throwing at each other. If a post was spent ragging on someone else instead of talking about the subject at hand it was removed. This is not intended to insult anyone, just to keep the conversation on topic.

    I notice there are still people that want to discuss the locater badges and it's a good discussion- but please debate the topic, not the poster's character. It's not nice to read and all this work makes the moderators cranky.

    Thanks a lot. PM me if you feel you need to.
    Censorship. Dayum.

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