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  1. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    Again, there's nothing wrong with educating your patients about issues that affect their care, but lying to patients and threatening their care to try and swing their political views is despicable.

    Primary care reimbursements have been too low since long before Obamacare, which is why Obamacare INCREASES primary care reimbursements up to 10% and brings medicaid reimbursements up to medicare levels.

    As a pain management specialist and not a typical primary care provider, he may not see significant increases in his reimbursements, but then again he makes far more than a primary care provider. He's trying to get in on the sympathy PCP's get for their $175,000 a year median salary, although with a median salary of $340,000 a year, pain management MD's don't exactly fit into that category.
    Last edit by MunoRN on Sep 24, '12
  2. Visit  BlueDevil,DNP profile page
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    1) Physician is a clinician during the appointment and his/her responsibility is to address the patient's health issues. I don't address issues of this sort with my patients during their visits, as I would consider that highly inappropriate and I think most of my colleagues would feel likewise. I also do not give two hoots what my patients think about this or the price of tea in China and do not care to hear their thoughts on either subject and do not have the time to waste engaging them on said nonsense. Nor do I think attempting to frighten or threaten my patients in effort to try to get them to vote for or against a policy or candidate I support or oppose is ethical practice. I think it borders on extortion.

    2) As of Sunday Gallup had Obama ahead in NC by 2 pts, Rasmussen had them dead even. Not sure that matters, looking at electoral college votes, Romney does not have good odds as it stands and after the debates his odds may well get worse. I do think he is going to lose, and I don't think he was ever a serious candidate. I was listening to Politico Radio the other day and the guests were people from the George Mason U, someone from the Regan administration, and an expert on the electoral college, who was of the opinion that it is almost impossible for Romney to win at this point, barring some unbelievable scandal in the white house. He would have to carry Florida, Virginia, Colorado, NC, and Ohio (in addition to the states he is expected to) and the political scientists don't think he can do that, and he is already behind there and losing ground. Further, the political sci from GMU said the RNC really doesn't want him to win, they want Jeb in 2016 anyway. Theory being Jeb Bush may be the only one who could beat Hillary Clinton if she decided to run, because Bobby Jindal is just "too brown" to be a republican nominee, lol. The Regan administration guy is the one who said they have have been diverting money, and that top people at the RNC have been meeting with Jeb's people for 18 months preparing for 2016. They had to run somebody, so they ran Romney. It didn't matter who it was, because whoever it was was always going to be the "also ran."

    3) The ACA can be repealed by a 2/3 majority of congress. Not by Mitt personally.
  3. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
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    Quote from BlueDevil,DNP
    1) Physician is a clinician during the appointment and his/her responsibility is to address the patient's health issues. I don't address issues of this sort with my patients during their visits, as I would consider that highly inappropriate and I think most of my colleagues would feel likewise. I also do not give two hoots what my patients think about this or the price of tea in China and do not care to hear their thoughts on either subject and do not have the time to waste engaging them on said nonsense. Nor do I think attempting to frighten or threaten my patients in effort to try to get them to vote for or against a policy or candidate I support or oppose is ethical practice. I think it borders on extortion.

    2) As of Sunday Gallup had Obama ahead in NC by 2 pts, Rasmussen had them dead even. Not sure that matters, looking at electoral college votes, Romney does not have good odds as it stands and after the debates his odds may well get worse. I do think he is going to lose, and I don't think he was ever a serious candidate. I was listening to Politico Radio the other day and the guests were people from the George Mason U, someone from the Regan administration, and an expert on the electoral college, who was of the opinion that it is almost impossible for Romney to win at this point, barring some unbelievable scandal in the white house. He would have to carry Florida, Virginia, Colorado, NC, and Ohio (in addition to the states he is expected to) and the political scientists don't think he can do that, and he is already behind there and losing ground. Further, the political sci from GMU said the RNC really doesn't want him to win, they want Jeb in 2016 anyway. Theory being Jeb Bush may be the only one who could beat Hillary Clinton if she decided to run, because Bobby Jindal is just "too brown" to be a republican nominee, lol. The Regan administration guy is the one who said they have have been diverting money, and that top people at the RNC have been meeting with Jeb's people for 18 months preparing for 2016. They had to run somebody, so they ran Romney. It didn't matter who it was, because whoever it was was always going to be the "also ran."

    3) The ACA can be repealed by a 2/3 majority of congress. Not by Mitt personally.
    1) I understand where you are coming from. And I don't totally disagree. I may not like it if my physician got into that with me. If he is saying what he is saying because he is generally against a candidate, then I would also agree that is not ethical. However, if he is saying it because he believes it to be true that he will go out of business, then I would disagree that is extortion or that he is lying.


    2) Thanks for the further explanation about the RNC not really wanting Romney to win and everyhting else related to that . I question what those people said. I haven't heard it before and still can't find out much about it. That seems too big to be a secret. Plus, that just doesn't make sense in my mind.

    And, what is an "Electoral College Expert"? They can add together double-digit numbers? Anyone can look at the states Obama has, and the ones Romeny has, and then look at the swing states and can easily see how things stand.

    Anyway, we shall see what happens.


    3) OK, so Mitt can't do it all by himself. But it can be done. Should Romney win, and the Republicans win the Senate and keep the House, then it should be repealed as that is what the public was essentially voting for.
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  4. Visit  BlueDevil,DNP profile page
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    Well, "experts" have been wrong before. It won't be long and I guess we will see how it pans out. And there really still is time for the dead girl/live boy scenario, so don't lose hope.
    The pendulum swings back and forth every few years either way. Historically both sides generally get equal opportunity to completely foul everything up as best they can. If your party doesn't win this time, they probably will next time. It's all pretty even-steven in the long run.
    cristielf likes this.
  5. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    Very unprofessional to talk about politics and try to frighten patients to not vote a certain way. I would never see that doctor again.
    tewdles, HazelLPN, RNlOVE02, and 5 others like this.
  6. Visit  netglow profile page
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    For those of you ill-informed. These changes have been happening for about a decade.

    IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

    Follow the money. Follow the money. Follow the money --->>>>> insurance companies/hospital administration.
    HazelLPN, RNlOVE02, NickiLaughs, and 2 others like this.
  7. Visit  Patryk profile page
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    I cant believe it.
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  8. Visit  msn10 profile page
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    This has very little to do with Obama or Romney care. Obama is cutting Medicare reimbursement by 15% across the board next year (as admitted by Obama last night in the debates.) This is in addition to decreased reimbursements for early readmissions.

    This will affect EVERYONE in health care, MD's, NP,s, RN's, etc. I am so tired of hearing politicians say that Medicare is so much more efficient than insurance plans when Medicare doesn't pay nearly as well and Medicare gets cut every year - next year will be the worst for reimbursement in history. Many MD's and NP's are saying the same thing about retiring/leaving, they just didn't get their 5.5 minutes on the news.
    PMFB-RN and redhead_NURSE98! like this.
  9. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    When my father decided to close his practice he sent out notices to all of his patients a year in advance. That notice gave them time to shop for a new family physician and request copies of their records be sent to the new office. I think it's more professional to warn patients that a practice may close than to remain silent and let them find out when the doors are locked.
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  10. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
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    I'm curious as to what some of you think about the email this CEO sent to his employees.

    CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins - Yahoo! Finance
  11. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from SC_RNDude
    I'm curious as to what some of you think about the email this CEO sent to his employees.

    CEO to Workers: I May Fire You if Obama Wins - Yahoo! Finance
    1. He wouldn't have to fire me. After that pig wrote that drivel, I'd quit right quick.
    2. I doubt HE'S gonna take a pay cut, now is he? That doesn't seem to be in very many CEOs' vocabularies when it refers to them. Most of THEM are the biggest drain on their companies, not their workers.
    3. This just smells wrong to me. I know not everything is actionable, but I feel like it's an employer offering financial compensation for voting (the way he wants them to). (Even though he says he can't tell them who to vote for.) They got onto Michael Moore for giving out pairs of underwear to people who voted; seems like someone might get their panties in a twist over this email too.
    4. "Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed." Ohhh, how we sufferrr!!!! I feel so bad for him! But don't worry folks, he's doing better now! "The elevators are going in and they're preparing to put in the marble." Phew! So glad! I know *I* was worried about him!
    5. "Instead of raising my taxes and depositing that money into the Washington black-hole, let me spend it on growing the company, hire more employees, and generate substantial economic growth." Riiiiight, you mean like you did during eight years of a Republican administration?
    6. Thanks for putting this out there, so I know not to spend any money with this company if I can help it. (Sorry employees. That's what happens when your boss is a gigantic jerk.)
    HazelLPN, KelRN215, and PMFB-RN like this.
  12. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
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    Quote from redhead_NURSE98!
    1. He wouldn't have to fire me. After that pig wrote that drivel, I'd quit right quick.
    2. I doubt HE'S gonna take a pay cut, now is he? That doesn't seem to be in very many CEOs' vocabularies when it refers to them. Most of THEM are the biggest drain on their companies, not their workers.
    3. This just smells wrong to me. I know not everything is actionable, but I feel like it's an employer offering financial compensation for voting (the way he wants them to). (Even though he says he can't tell them who to vote for.) They got onto Michael Moore for giving out pairs of underwear to people who voted; seems like someone might get their panties in a twist over this email too.
    4. "Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed." Ohhh, how we sufferrr!!!! I feel so bad for him! But don't worry folks, he's doing better now! "The elevators are going in and they're preparing to put in the marble." Phew! So glad! I know *I* was worried about him!
    5. "Instead of raising my taxes and depositing that money into the Washington black-hole, let me spend it on growing the company, hire more employees, and generate substantial economic growth." Riiiiight, you mean like you did during eight years of a Republican administration?
    6. Thanks for putting this out there, so I know not to spend any money with this company if I can help it. (Sorry employees. That's what happens when your boss is a gigantic jerk.)
    His garage used to serve as his office, and now he employs over 7000 people. So yes, I would say he does know how to and has a track record growing the company, hiring more employees, and generating economic growth.

    In light of the above, you think he should have to take a pay cut so that the government can take more of what he earned and give it to others?

    CEO's are drains on their companies? This guy can't be, can he? Again, he started working in his garage and now employes 7000 people. How is he a drain? How are other CEO's a "drain"? My guess is that like most of the "CEO's are evil" types you really don't have any idea of how much the average CEO makes and the relationship of his/her compensation to numbers of employees and $$$ in profit. The truth is, in most cases a CEO's salary is minute compared to the profits the company makes, and if your CEO's salary was cut to $1 and what he used to make was split up among all the employees, you probably wouldn't notice.


    Just for fun, here is another CEO saying how bad Obama is for business and the economy. And, please remember healthcare is a business. This one happens to be a well-known Democrat supporter in the past. Wynn says he’s afraid to build in Las Vegas because of Obama - VEGAS INC
  13. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    My personal doctor talks about this to all his patients. He makes it very clear he cannot stay in business at the rate it's going. He is very anti-Obama and uses a portion of every office visit for this purpose.

    *** I would be angry if a physician I was paying to provide care for me or my family used the time I paid for like that. I would fire him and get a different doctor who was more respectful of his patients.
    HazelLPN, KelRN215, redhead_NURSE98!, and 1 other like this.


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