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No. 10
Old Jul 20, 2008, 03:20 PM

Default Re: Urge Congress to Support HR 5924: Legislation to Address Nursing Shortage
Originally Posted by mitcornsus View Post
Sorry to point it out, but the exact country you are in, Canada, gives priority (extra points), to the foreign students for immigration purposes. If one study in Canada for two years, he/she get five more points, etc. Quebec has similar immigration policies.

Sorry to say, but the immigration system in US do give international students a lot of advantages (kind of priority) though. Educated in US, have a-year OPT which helps them gain US experience. An obvious example is when immigration visa becomes available, like last JULY visa bulletin chaos, they can file AOS immediately, which gives them advantage of renewable EAD.
The UK does not give priority to you if you are a foreign trained nurse. Each country has their own requirements and Canada has a big drive to bring in professional workers and will assist them but if you are just looking for permanent residency without any qualifications then you can be looking at several years. The US does not have a visa unless you can meet a certain criteria so if you say for instance do your LPN in the US it will not meet immigration requirements to stay in the US.

Also there is no guarantee doing the AOS that you will be accepted and after the fiasco last July 07 I doubt AOS will re appear for many years
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No. 11
Old Jul 20, 2008, 04:49 PM

Default Re: Urge Congress to Support HR 5924: Legislation to Address Nursing Shortage
http://include.nurse.com/apps/pbcs.d...40032/-1/front

Nursing magazines and publtications are looking for solutions such as retention of current staff and more money for faculty members. I only saw one lone paragraph about this bill. I don't think it has any traction and won't pass.
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No. 12
from suzanne4
Old Jul 20, 2008, 05:38 PM

Default Re: Urge Congress to Support HR 5924: Legislation to Address Nursing Shortage
Originally Posted by mitcornsus View Post
Sorry to point it out, but the exact country you are in, Canada, gives priority (extra points), to the foreign students for immigration purposes. If one study in Canada for two years, he/she get five more points, etc. Quebec has similar immigration policies.

Sorry to say, but the immigration system in US do give international students a lot of advantages (kind of priority) though. Educated in US, have a-year OPT which helps them gain US experience. An obvious example is when immigration visa becomes available, like last JULY visa bulletin chaos, they can file AOS immediately, which gives them advantage of renewable EAD.

Actually students no longer get priority and this has been for two years since the retrogression started and there is no reason for anyone that trained here to be able to get it.

There should have never even been the open window last summer as it was, there were no visas available then. And if you take the time to do the math, you will see that it will be more than five years for all of those from last summer to be able to get a visa, or even have a chance at one. So anyone that is contemplating nursing school here based on that assumption, really needs to think again.

Next issue and one that you are not seeing is the fact that if the new graduate was petitioned last summer, they needed to have taken and passed the NCLEX exam, had a letter from their BON that takes about three to four weeks to get, plus have other requirenments met. Most from last summer did not have this completed and that is why you are seeing so many post that were not even able to get jobs with the OPT in the first place as they would not be able to remain in the US when they were done.

If you are not an American and pay taxes here, then it is really not up to you as to how things should be done here. No one dictates what your country should do.

And there are no other exceptions made to any of the requirements for the student that trained in the US, only thing that gets waived is the English exams.

And looking at it from the other side, if you were the US government; would you prefer a nurse from another country with a solid ten years of work experience behind them or a new grad that just graduated and has no experience behind them? Same thing as an employer?
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No. 13
Old Aug 01, 2008, 04:14 PM

Default Discussion- Urge Congress to Support HR 5924: Legislation to Address Nursing Shortage
As this bill is approved by house panel. i have few questions about this.

Is this bill is going to senate now. or it is passed and more visas will be available?

the 20,000 visas/year, do the immigration have to first clear backlog under this. i mean the nurses who file in summer 2007 and are already in line are they going to clear them first.

Did the people file in summer 2007 got EAD and working now and waiting for approval for I-485.

it is a big confusion for me. can somebody clear it.

http://public.cq.com/docs/cqm/cqmidd...002932719.html
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No. 14
from rkm
Old Aug 01, 2008, 07:07 PM

Default Re: The nurses bill (HR 5924) bill is approved by house panel
This bill still has a very long way to go. Anything can still happen, so it's not wise to expect too much. The backlog should be cleared first and all those standing in line have to wait their turn, even if the bill is approved, if ever. That's only fair.
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No. 15
Old Aug 01, 2008, 07:16 PM
Updated Aug 01, 2008 at 10:50 PM by lawrence01

Default Re: The nurses bill (HR 5924) bill is approved by house panel
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5924

The bill just took a very baby step. Congressman Wexler is underfire right now since he doesn't live in the district he represents.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/co...svc=7&cxcat=75

I don't give this bill much of a chance, but I am under the impression this topic is not to be discuss since in a previous post the below was posted.
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No. 16
Old Aug 01, 2008, 07:21 PM

Default Re: The nurses bill (HR 5924) bill is approved by house panel
According to the stats only 5.5% get passed. 95% don't and all don't get passed in the same format they were introduced.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/5562/Cong...COMES-LAW.html
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No. 17
from suzanne4
Old Aug 01, 2008, 07:46 PM

Default Re: The nurses bill (HR 5924) bill is approved by house panel
It has to be approved by both the House and Congress, before it can be submitted to the President to be signed off on.

Congress has just started a five week vacation, and then it returns to a major campaign between both parties for the final run-up to the election.

The other issue is that this is not for those that went thru AOS last year, there are many that are still waiting for green cards that got the I-485 submitted right before October 31, 2006 and they are still pending because there are no visas.

There are also nurses that have been waiting out of the country for three years plus for the green card. So expect them to be taken care of first. That would be the only fair way to do things.
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No. 18
Old Aug 01, 2008, 10:42 PM

Default Re: The nurses bill (HR 5924) bill is approved by house panel
so if the visas will be available. can we apply, get EAD and stay in the waiting line or not.
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No. 19
Old Aug 01, 2008, 11:33 PM

Default Re: Urge Congress to Support HR 5924: Legislation to Address Nursing Shortage
Originally Posted by suzanne4 View Post
...if you were the US government; would you prefer a nurse from another country with a solid ten years of work experience behind them or a new grad that just graduated and has no experience behind them?
If I were the US government I would choose the path that would help to lower the presently rising rate of unemployment among the citizens and legal residents -- I would seek to retrain people leaving other industries and provide incentives to hospitals to hire them.

I absolutely would not be inviting new residents to come take jobs in a growth industry.
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