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I was in a RN refresher program until a few days ago. I got through the 2 months of classroom with an average of 92%. No problems there. But when I got to the clinicals in a hospital seeking magnet status, I really got trashed. I am older than the instructor, I think she is about 63, looks 110. After the first few days I was very fascinated with all the outpatient procedures and surgery. I wanted to apply. My "instructor" started discouraging me from the start constantly telling me I couldn't keep up with the young nurses, etc. This is not for you. Then why am I here? Do what you want, etc. I wanted to apply for a job in ambulatory care, and I was approached while orienting in that department to apply. I was told by the instructor that "they were just being nice? I tried very hard to not let this "don't set yourself up for failure" business and the age discrimination get me down, but it did finally. So I called the head of the refresher program. Her response was "you two just don't get along, try to talk to her." I tried it again, thought it was working, but found out she was so incensed by my complaining about her, she subtly worked her evil against me.

She pretends to be a sweet, grandmotherly, mother hen to the young students, and gets all the facts about you she can, then uses it against you, (me). Everybody loves her, not because of her being such a great instructor, she only does that in endo with the IVs. But this grandmotherly person is so evil. The s.... hit the fan about 4 days before I was to finish my clinicals at this hospital. I was being harassed by one of the employees about getting my "work done." We leave at a certain time, and she came to where I was and said "arent you finished," all the other students are gone." Much, much more but won't get into that.

I told this instructor about it and she said "you should be up to speed by speed by now." Sure, I've been out 10 years, this was supposed to be learning experience I thought. I am supposed to be at the level of a well-oriented experienced nurse? I really felt like it was free labor. I guess she told the hospital staff, and all of a sudden every unit that I had been in said negative things about me and the instructor told me I couldn't continue in the program. I guess she thought she was being a hero by protecting the hospital from anything negative and looking like the good guy.

At the end of the unit I was in, it was a pediatric unit but was really a med/surg overflow unit. Lots of travelers worked there. We supposedly had our choice of patients but I was assigned newborn care which scared me because I never worked in that area, and also it was not going to be any use to me because I wanted adult medicine experience. I guess that was used against me. Also, I had to help with a patient transfer from an OR stretcher that weighed 290 lbs, dead weight, and pulled a muscle in my back and the next time I was asked to help I said I couldn't do it because I had a previous muscle strain, not related to nursing. However, I never made a complaint to the hospital about it.

I was told also that I would not get a certificate for completing the refresher program and stated I was going to file a grievance with the school which, by the way, is approved by the State BON. The director of the refresher program was exceedingly sweet to me, the Director of Nursing was the same. But the instructor for clinicals called me incompetent, I knew from the beginning you were going to be trouble, (I persisted in I could do what the younger nurses), everybody says you are incompetent, everybody said the had to go back to do my work over. well, I'm sure you get the story.

I also had applied to the recruiters for this huge "chain" corporate hospital and had 2 calls in l day after I sent my application in. Told I would be called by a NM at the hospital I was at. Once they knew what instructor I was with, I was called and told there was no openings.

I know what they are doing. While the school directors are being so above-board, this instructor is destroying me. She is popular with the young nurses, because she mostly entertains them. And she just trashes me to my face, when no one is around, and know that she is being backed to the hilt with the school administration. When I calmly told her I was going to file a grievance, she started yelling at me, calling me incompetent etc. "I have been doing this for 25 years."

The director of the school told me "why would you think she was discriminating because of your age." Give me a break. If she has been there for 25 years, how are they going to get rid of her. Are they saying they are going to hire at her age had she not been there 25 years?

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. I am just so furious to be treated in such an inhumane way. It is just so awful that we think we live in a free world but corporate america has us well under-control.

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RNRMERCY:

You post was very kind and I thank you for it. I understand exactly what you are saying. Especially about courage, and I thank you for mentioning the book because it seems just like what I need. I don't know what it is about me that I don't understand that people want to purposely hurt other people. I hate to go around walking on egg shells, I just hate it. Silly me, just want to get along with everyone. I understand where she is coming from and it is her dissatifaction with herself. But what she has done is tried to ruin my chances of working for the biggest hospital corporation in this city. However, now that I have seen the politics in the "rich" corporation, I really don't want to work for that corporation anyway. But I am still writing up my grievance for my own satisfaction. It keeps the hurt alive while I am dealing with it, but I am not going to "let this thing be done to me." She has told 2 outright lies when she wrote my evaluation and SIGNED UP. I think that was pretty dumb on her part. She gave me her game plan so I could show her up for what she did. One of the dumb things she signed her name to was "I encouraged to her to take an IV cert class but I said I didn't need it." Truth: Signed up for the class and it was cancelled. Also said she put me in area and called her the next day and said I complained and I wanted to go to another area. I was never there, but she signed her name to it. I am not giving up. I guess it isn't going to be easy. But I really now know that I don't want to work for these hospital corporations. Actually, I don't need the critical part of my refresher to get a job, but for principle and practice, I am not going to allow myself to be abused like that and go hide under a rock. Like Music told me, ask things, ask what the preceptors responsibilities are, the instructors responsibilities are. I want the part of the State that funds this program to know all about it.

But I want to get the book you recommended because I know that this will keep coming up at times. I feel like Hamlet, "if it doesn't come, it will come." So I better get myself ready for it. But she has been able to keep me from working that particular hospital with her mouth, but I am still going file the grievance to let her know that she can not do this to me. For my own self esteem, not rolling over and taking it. It is for me, not her. Like the other instructor told me, "I need to get a thick skin, and she is right, so I'm working on that too. I just hate meanness. I don't like to be mean, but that's the real world. I am looking forward to getting the book you recommend. I not only learned a lot while I was in this program about nursing, but in clinicals, I learned a lot about "swimming with sharks."

Thank you for thinking of me and writing to give me your thoughts, help and support.

I wish you good luck and hopefully you can put that "old hag" to the spot.. i believe in karma...what goes around, comes around....she will get her chance ...:angryfire

Specializes in Hospice, Med/Surg, ICU, ER.
Clee:

That was funny. How about old hag? I heard one of my male psych patients call one of our female residents that! I work one day a week at a residential psych center. It is funny how they present one face to you and another towards their fellow residents.

Anytime ZZ....

I know your situation is NOT funny, but I felt a little levity might help.

In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers: " You got to know when to hold 'em; know when to fold 'em."

If this bag (hag) really has it in for you, you might as well look for a new place to refresh. Sorry, but there really are some NASTY old bats out there.

Best of luck to you.

Panay, Clee:

Aren't we professional. Old bag, old hag, old bat. I like old bat most. That really made me laugh. A sense of humor is needed, especially when you are not hurting anyone. I guess I have a warped sense of humor. I love most nurses, though. They know what's going on. But wish we could support each other better because nurses are great people. Thanks for your wit and support.

I am looking forward really to the next hearing with the school board. I hope she rolls her eyeballs, (real professional like) at this hearing. This will be at the board of education. They are not stopping me from working, but I am not going to let the old bat getting away with calling me an unsafe nurse. I already work part-time in a residential psych facility. Maybe we could get her a bed. I am only looking for part-time work. Not a career. I still really don't know what I want to do yet.

Bye for now.

Love you guys!

Specializes in Hospice, Med/Surg, ICU, ER.
Panay, Clee:

Aren't we professional. Old bag, old hag, old bat. I like old bat most.

Ha-cha-cha-cha-cha! I gotta MILLION of 'em! (best J. Durante voice)

:rotfl:

Seriously, I'm glad the geriatric harpy's (like that one :rolleyes: ) comment didn't keep you out of work, and I'm equally glad you are calling her on the carpet for it.

Too often, mean-spirited people take out their life frustrations on others; especially when they think their victim can't or won't fight back. It is always refreshing to disabuse them of that notion.

Best wishes!

I just read this story for the first time today and this is the most horrible thing I have ever heard of. I am so sorry that you have to put up with this. :angryfire Is there anyway you can get a lawyer involved? I really think that you need one. Perhaps you could get one to come with you to the grievance meeting? This hospital needs to learn that covering up age discrimination is serious business. My thoughts are with you.

Specializes in Step-down/tele, home care, corrections.

You had my ear (and sympathy) until I read the last line:

"It is just so awful that we think we live in a free world but corporate america has us well under-control."

How in the world do we go from a problem with one instructor to bashing almost every healthcare provider in the free world, save government-sponsored organizations?

Steve

Ambulatory care/outpatient surgery is the wave of the future. With insurance companies calling all the shots & mandating that more & more procedures be done on an outpatient basis you would be wise to go into this specialty. Who would have dreamed that we'd be sending lap choles & T&As home the same day?? I have worked w/nurses in their 70's who still work ambulatory surgery, and their input is much appreciated, and the patients love them. Your instructor is not very understanding & doesn't sound like she should be teaching a refresher course! I wish you all the best.

Specializes in Hospice, Med/Surg, ICU, ER.
You had my ear (and sympathy) until I read the last line:

"It is just so awful that we think we live in a free world but corporate america has us well under-control."

How in the world do we go from a problem with one instructor to bashing almost every healthcare provider in the free world, save government-sponsored organizations?

Steve

Steve, I'm to the right of Rush Limbaugh, and am all for capitalism and free enterprise; however, our healthcare delivery system is broken. When insurance companies (including medicare and medicaid) determine the treatments and length of stays that are OK for each and every patient, rather than those decisions being made by the patient and their MD, something is terribly wrong.

I don't know what the solution to the problem is (and I am violently opposed to socialized medicine) but SOMETHING is going to HAVE to be done.

Hi Stevesf:

I didn't go from one instructor to the world-wide corporations. It is all in the same system. The games are the same. As old as I am, I am getting wise to the ways of the corporate world. Ever read the Greening of America? Are you a nurse? I truly love nursing. I am totally fascinated with ambulatory care. So many advantages for the patient, quick recovery, new technology. But it truly is a "broken system" with most of the people hurt being the patient and the nurse. I imagine just a few of the doctors are feeling frustration and pressure. Everyone needs to look at it from the perspective of the public and the providers. As I said, ambulatory surgery and procedures, I think are wonderful; however, I just don't think assembly line medicine is good for anyone that happens to be involved. There are miracles and there are dangers. Don't mean to sound simplistic, but reading a good deal of posts here you can see all the positives and negatives. Sorry, I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.

Spider Monkey: Thank you. Yes, lap choles, T&As, and when I was oriented in the cath lab, I was astounded that these patients were sent home the same day after a cardiac cath. Maybe this is not news to all of you, but my eyes were really open. I had never been exposed to it, so maybe it's a routine thing. I was in the cafeteria one day and one of the guy's from the cath lab was behind me. I said "oh, I was just there yesterday." He beamed at apparently wanting me to verify the wonderful results and asking how they did. The 3 patients I saw that had cardiac procedures, one was sent to ICU, one to telemetry, and one was sent home because there was too much calcium in the arteries. He looked really let down as if I had taken all the starch out of him. I felt so bad for him that I couldn't tell him of a miracle. But after all, if a patient is 97-years-old and nothing can be done for him, naturally you aren't going to do any heroics on him. Those days happen as well as the "miracles." But I am glad to be able to have been exposed to that kind of medicine.

Stevesf: I mean to say "Greening of the Hospitals, not America. I think you will find it interesting reading.

ZZTOP here again.

I had my 3rd (lst meeting with lower board of education). I was offered an opportunity to go back and do my clinicals again. But no one had to take responsibility for the instructor making the statements that weren't true. I asked several times "what do you mean I was rude, what wasn't up to speed about? 'you didn't carry your load.' 'Why was it written that I was placed in a clinical area where I never was?' 'I placed you there.' "The student handbook says if any student is difficient, they should be placed on probation, why was I taken out of the program and why wasn't I told of the unsafe things I allegedly was doing?' Everybody said you were incompetent, I felt sorry for you." I guess their way of getting out of it was "allowing me to do the clinicals again." I did my clinicals!

If there is any doubt about how "corporations" or "organizations" operate, this is a little example. School board is an "organization" When I was taking a course in business law, I learned that "individuals do not survive in an organization." I had gone one time to a luncheon where Gerry Spence was the speaker. What I remembered first of all, "law schools are geared to organizations." What a surprise.

I have put in a call to a nurse attorney. I understand that if you don't get hired for some illogical reason, you can sue. But I am not sure about the school board and it being a refresher program. I can still get some jobs but not in a hospital unless I have my certificate of completion.

I did want to work in some of the outpatient centers, but that does not look like an option for me now. I can live with that, but the thing that I am so angry about is the power they have over an individual. That's what I mean when I say, when you put all the players and pieces together, we are dominated by corporate America. I am certainly not for socialized medicine either, but medicine (I mean medical industry) is different. I feel hurt. Ironically, one of the simple thing I learned in my year of law, if you make accusations, have the facts to back them up. Apparently this does not apply to corporate America. Thanks for letting me vent.

I'll survive. But it is part human nature also. I just feel bummed out now. I am going to take their offer to let me take the IV cert class even if I have missed 2 classes. There is a lot about medications besides just technique. Maybe the lawyer will have some good news for me. But I just have this feeling that it won't fly just because a manager in the area I wanted to work in asked me to apply and even though I did apply, I am told that unless I have the certificate of completion, they cannot hire me.

I'm trying to think of philosophical things to say to myself. Got any good ones? Like when one door closes, another opens, he he! Well, these hospitals have a lot of doors. Tell me something funny, or maybe I will go to the funniest experiences you ever had boards or something.

Bye Bye

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