Country's with socialized medicine vs the USA (Personal Income Tax)

  1. 0 Comparison is between a single individual and a married couple with two children.

    France: 50.1% and 41.7%
    UK: 33.5% and 27.1%
    Canada: 31.6% and 21.5%

    and

    The United States of America 29.1% and 11.9%

    This is a comparison of taxes paid by a household earning the country's average wage as of 2005. Source is the OECD.
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  4. Visit  ACU_RN profile page
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    http://helpglobe.com/answers.aspx?qid=152

    Notice the countries with the highest personal income taxes are those who have adopted universal health care plans. Do you really want $.50 of every dollar you earn being turned over to the government?
    Claude Castonguay is the architect of the Canadian health care system. He championed this system in the 1960's and now says that it is in ruins. His solution: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."
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  5. Visit  Neveranurseagain profile page
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    What I really want is help stop Americans from dying from lack of health insurance....

    Here is a chart showing what other countries really pay in taxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

    Here is a great website showing how other countries have implemented national health care: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91972152

    We have socialized education, socialized police and fire, and socialized postal system. Why not socialized health care?
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  6. Visit  traumamike profile page
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    How do I get to pay only 29% tax....I am single and pay 37% fed. tax and am lucky to live in a state with no state income tax... I think those numbers are a little off, or I am just being really screwed when it comes to tax... I have a single friend in the U.K. and her tax is alot lower than mine... She pays in about 29.5% per year!! which is still high, but she does have medical coverage at no cost out of pocket!! If we could have all the people in the country covered, I wouldn't care if I payed the same as i do now or even a little more... Insurance and pharm. companies have made enough money on the backs of americans..enough is enough!!! They can make less money. If they don't want to do that, then let them go somewhere else ...They both have sucked the medical industry dry.. It has to change.. How many pt's do we have to see that can't afford their medicines before we as a country do something about it?
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  7. Visit  Katnip profile page
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    It's very difficult to compare tax rates in different countries because each is providing a different menu of services, plus each provides different types of tax breaks, etc. besides, we pay more than the OP's table shows.
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    Quote from traumamike
    how do i get to pay only 29% tax....i am single and pay 37% fed. tax and am lucky to live in a state with no state income tax... i think those numbers are a little off, or i am just being really screwed when it comes to tax... i have a single friend in the u.k. and her tax is alot lower than mine... she pays in about 29.5% per year!! which is still high, but she does have medical coverage at no cost out of pocket!! if we could have all the people in the country covered, i wouldn't care if i payed the same as i do now or even a little more... insurance and pharm. companies have made enough money on the backs of americans..enough is enough!!! they can make less money. if they don't want to do that, then let them go somewhere else ...they both have sucked the medical industry dry.. it has to change.. how many pt's do we have to see that can't afford their medicines before we as a country do something about it?

    so when have you made enough money? how about i cap your income at say, $35,000 per year. that is more than enough to live on because i said so. do you realize how dangerous it is limiting a private corporations profit? this isn't the ussr, or do you want it to be the communist states of america?
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    Quote from awsmom8
    What I really want is help stop Americans from dying from lack of health insurance....

    Here is a chart showing what other countries really pay in taxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

    Here is a great website showing how other countries have implemented national health care: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91972152

    We have socialized education, socialized police and fire, and socialized postal system. Why not socialized health care?
    The website from NPR does not count. NPR is blatantly liberal, there facts and figures are as corrupt as Hugo Chavez.
    The Wikipedia article proves my point so I am unsure why you posted it. We have the highest standard of living throughout the world for a reason, less taxes. Universal health care WILL mean higher taxes for the working class, 100% guaranteed. Please stop listening to NPR and MSNBC.
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  10. Visit  ghillbert profile page
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    How are you judging the "highest standard of living" with regard to health, though? The US does not really win any category of assessing health outcomes, despite its significantly larger expenditure than other first world countries.

    No doubt, total universal coverage is not the answer - it's not financially sustainable. But a mixed private/public system absolutely is.

    We limit corporation's profits all the time by dictating what they may and may not do according to corporate law. That doesn't make it a communist state. There is no room in a civilized society for "profit at any cost".

    I'm from Australia. In Aus, I paid 37-43% tax for $80-100K income. In the US, it's around 35-40% (between federal, state and city taxes). However if I get hit by a bus in Australia, I won't go bankrupt paying my medical bills.

    I love how you dismiss data that is "blatantly liberal" but then continue to spout "blatantly conservative" claims with no supporting evidence.
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    Quote from ghillbert
    How are you judging the "highest standard of living" with regard to health, though? The US does not really win any category of assessing health outcomes, despite its significantly larger expenditure than other first world countries.

    No doubt, total universal coverage is not the answer - it's not financially sustainable. But a mixed private/public system absolutely is.

    We limit corporation's profits all the time by dictating what they may and may not do according to corporate law. That doesn't make it a communist state. There is no room in a civilized society for "profit at any cost".

    I'm from Australia. In Aus, I paid 37-43% tax for $80-100K income. In the US, it's around 35-40% (between federal, state and city taxes). However if I get hit by a bus in Australia, I won't go bankrupt paying my medical bills.

    I love how you dismiss data that is "blatantly liberal" but then continue to spout "blatantly conservative" claims with no supporting evidence.
    My father in law has been to the land down under several times. As he has said, it does not compare to these United States. We are the wealthiest nation on earth. We are the beacon of freedom for all the world, the gold standard among free peoples.
    If I am hit by a bus in America, I will not go into bankruptcy.
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  12. Visit  tencat profile page
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    Ummm....if you are hit by a bus in the US, need to be on life-support, spend two months in the ICU, you WILL go into bankruptcy unless you are independently wealthy.....I know a woman who is financially ruined due to an ICU stay of a month due to pneumonia. I know another man who is bankrupt because he had to put his wife into a nursing home, and all
    'extra' income goes to same nursing home.......

    As to tax rates.....we get what we pay for, don't we? If we as a society are not going to pay for services, we won't get them. I, too, am good with paying more in taxes (as long as those richer than I are paying more than I am, which currently they are generally NOT doing now) to ensure that someone doesn't have to go bankrupt to get the care they need. Greed and wealth at the expense of everyone else does not sit well with me, so I do not see an issue with limiting corporations and what they can make off of everyone else......
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  13. Visit  GCTMT profile page
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    To the initial post. I don't mind paying higher taxes as long as I get a return, i.e. Universal Healthcare.

    If I got hit by a bus, my first concern would be getting adequate medical treatment (which I could get in any developed nation) and then, my second concern if I was lucky enough to recover, would be calling a bankruptcy attorney.
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    Quote from ACU_RN
    http://helpglobe.com/answers.aspx?qid=152

    Notice the countries with the highest personal income taxes are those who have adopted universal health care plans. Do you really want $.50 of every dollar you earn being turned over to the government?
    Claude Castonguay is the architect of the Canadian health care system. He championed this system in the 1960's and now says that it is in ruins. His solution: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."
    Hell no I dont want universal Healthcare because it is garbage.
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    Quote from GCTMT
    To the initial post. I don't mind paying higher taxes as long as I get a return, i.e. Universal Healthcare.

    If I got hit by a bus, my first concern would be getting adequate medical treatment (which I could get in any developed nation) and then, my second concern if I was lucky enough to recover, would be calling a bankruptcy attorney.
    Ok - so you dont mind paying more MONEY in order to get a SERVICE. Why not pay that money that you would pay in taxes to a private insurer for insurance? I love it when we talk taxes and there is always one or two people that say "I dont mind paying higher taxes if i get something for it", there is always at least one - its like they wouldnt shell out money on their own accord to pick up private insurance but if the government forces them to, they dont have a problem with it? Does this make any rational/logical sense at all? By the way, nothing stops you from writing a check to the federal government, you can, should you choose, pay more income taxes and make a donation to uncle sam at the end of the year if you think that he can spend your money better than you can. I dont know, perhaps some people actually would rather give the government money and expect them to spend it rather than spending that money themselves - for me, it makes no sense whatsoever.


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