Concealed Carry...as a nurse? - page 16

by mcknis

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With the current news over gun control and gun rights legislation being pushed through Congress as a result of the tragedies of Aurora, CO, Newtown, CT and the others like them, the thought of concealed carry among healthcare... Read More


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    Quote from CountyRat


    O.K. If there is no reason to "be afraid," why do you object to people owning fire arms? After all, there is no reason to be afraid of anyone.

    I dare to say that most of the people that use the "I need it for self defense" card have never even lived in a high crime area or ever been a victim of crime![/QUOTE]

    You are right. Most people will not ever be victims of violent crime, even though there are 300 million guns in the United States. If guns cause crime, how can that be so? However, I do not want to quibble, I would rather compromise, so how about this: Since the fact that most people are not victims of violent crime, and do not live in high crime areas (your argument against gun ownership) let's use that as the criteria for allowing gun ownership. People who have been victims or live in a high crime area may carry guns, those who do not, may not carry them.

    Deal?
    [/QUOTE]

    I cannot for the life of me see where I was intimating against gun ownership in my post??? I was in fact talking about addressing the issues surrounding gun violence. I also did not say that guns cause crime???You might have read a little too much "into" my post. I am against the propaganda and fear that is mongered by "organizations" such as fox news and the NRA...remember your basic statistics course and you will feel a little better.
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    Quote from CiscoNurseStudent
    As I make this comment, the LAPD is searching for a police officer that murdered one officer and wounded two other officers. In their search for this highly trained former officer of the law, the LAPD shot up a truck that resembled the vehicle owned by the perp. In the truck they shot up were two women delivering newspapers. One was shot in the hand, the other in the back. Government protection at work and no consequences.
    I will always donate to and support the NRA. I cannot tell you the multitude of Doctors who are members of the NRA and carry every day while saving lives. I would advise any one who has never held a gun, shot one, handled one or smelled one, to do so and see if you feel like a murderous villain afterwards.
    WARNING: Guns are fun and very addictive and you will join the NRA which happens to be the oldest civil right organization in the USA.
    Owning a gun is requires supreme responsibility, it provides a sense of true freedom, no where else in the world can you do this, no where else in the world is it recognized that protecting your self and family comes from GOD, not government.
    Enjoy and stay free.
    Interesting when "God" is brought into the discussion? If you truly read the bible, there isn't much room for freedom...lots of slavery and the subjugation of women...oh yeah and lots of killing in the name of thou' shalt not kill?! Curious
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    People who want to kill, harm, subjugate or enslave are going to do so regardless of their reasons. Unfortunately, historically, religion has been the most respected and thus best excuse to give others for your poor behavior.
    Today's religion? PC crud.

    And please malamud...unless you include MSNBC in your list of propaganda pimps, quit the mud slinging tactics. Very unbecoming.
    That is not to say that I think Fox or others are all-knowing. But lets just say that as much as FoxNews is obviously right wing, the rest of the media is pretty darn obviously left leaning (with some leaning so far they have simply fallen over). The days of the impartial reporter are LONG over my friend.
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    People who want to kill, harm, subjugate or enslave are going to do so regardless of their reasons. Unfortunately, historically, religion has been the most respected and thus best excuse to give others for your poor behavior.
    Today's religion? PC crud.

    And please malamud...unless you include MSNBC in your list of propaganda pimps, quit the mud slinging tactics. Very unbecoming.
    That is not to say that I think Fox or others are all-knowing. But lets just say that as much as FoxNews is obviously right wing, the rest of the media is pretty darn obviously left leaning (with some leaning so far they have simply fallen over). The days of the impartial reporter are LONG over my friend.
    Even as I would tend to disagree with you on most things it seems...I would have to agree with you here.
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    Quote from SalineFlush
    More guns will never be a solution to the gun problem.
    Finally...A simple, intelligent statement that gets to the truth of the entire conundrum!
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Guns are not a problem. Criminals are problems, and sometimes a gun in the hands of a law abiding person is the only way to prevent the use of a gun by a criminal.


    "The unarmed man can only flee from evil. And evil is never overcome by fleeing from it."

    Jeff Cooper (1920-2006)



    "If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.

    Thomas Sowell (b. 1930)



    "Though defensive violence will always be a sad necessity in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."

    St. Augustine (A.D. 354-430)
    Have we really degraded this far? Is the bar set this low? It reminds me of our health care system...No I should say "sick" care system...prevention is the only solution. To be complacent and accepting of these norms is a perfect argument for a "all of mankind lobotomy" for what use is our cognitive, rational mind if we succumb to such garbage.
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    Quote from macawake
    I find this thread a bit depressing considering the fact that nurses are educated to look at the world through their scientific, evidence-based glasses.

    I suspect that emotions are clouding rational thinking in some cases. There is anecdotal "evidence" and cherry-picking galore present in this thread. We are all affected by cognitive biases such as confirmation bias. We favor information that confirms our pre-existing beliefs.
    Critical thinking entails (among other things) being aware of one's biases.
    ^ I agree that this issue should really be looked at logically, self reflection of one's biases, and realize that there is a problem...there are ways to get to a root cause analysis as to the WHY of such high rates of gun violence in certain areas, how and WHY social security disability is up due to gun violence, why is the push for more incarceration and recidivism, where the person is free to assault again, next time uses a gun, etc.

    These may seem random, but the reality of gang culture, mental health deregulation and an historic institution of disparities has made these three random subjects be instinctually linked to one another in many areas of the country. High poverty, less health, more stress, leading to mental crises, broken homes, unhealthy coping and support systems, high risk of violence. Add the glut of guns that change hands, legally or illegally, the high chance in crises there is a higher probability to commit an act with a gun. That is a REAL process. There have been studies about suicide by homicide, the correctional system as a haven for people suffering for mental health, etc, effecting many populations in this country.

    The reality is: unless we are going to look at the SURVIVORS of gun violence; like myself, the disability payments, loss of work, loss of income, stress in the family unit, adjustment to loss of control, freedom-yes loss of FREEDOM due to being shot; the right to adequate healthcare, housing, that goes along with being shot, the hundreds and thousands that cannot be in my position to recover AT ALL, THEN we can have an honest discussion on improving gun violence.

    You are forced to MOURN because there is a chance that you may never walk again, lose a part of your body that was once intact, and now one legible for insurance, may lose home, not be able to finish school and be a productive system and tax payer, etc. These factors I speak of are REAL. Tax dollars go to fund a lot of these victim compensation programs, Medicare, Medicaid, and people think that people who are our of work are ...., no one stops to think and factor in people who have lost the ability to provide and contribute and are most vulnerable-the permanently underemployed and unemployed. There is an economic factor in this as well.
    We need to look at all aspects of WHY.

    Sometimes we do not realize the fact of how we are truly linked. If there is a system that can be tweaked, we really should take a step back and examine the morbidity AND mortality that occurs, even focus more on the morbidity, the quality of life, and how that affects that as a whole. It may sound depressing, but in reality, it is sobering. I can say I remember when LA and other gang infested areas did not have a gun violence problem as out of control as it is today to the point people have grown up ducking under tables and know at least 20-50 people who have died, people traumatized to the point that people are NUMB against that violence. I live where 1.5 people are murdered every day, more maimed, yet boast great education, health systems, and a dozen Magnet hospitals in the area, great place to live and visit, people flourish here, and people perish here as well. And life goes on-not to be harsh, more of stoicism on my part, because that's the reality. I tell people who move here from outside of my city, that some places you are stuck in the middle, most places, not so much or not at all. Then they relax, lol. Honest enlightenment is a beautiful thing

    I wonder if the public is willing to take a step back and think, could it be better???

    Perhaps...but how???

    That's where we all come in.
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    Quote from malamud69
    Interesting when "God" is brought into the discussion? If you truly read the bible, there isn't much room for freedom...lots of slavery and the subjugation of women...oh yeah and lots of killing in the name of thou' shalt not kill?! Curious
    Pretty obvious, the citizenry had no AR"s. Do U know what AR as it relates to guns mean ?
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    Quote from CiscoNurseStudent
    Pretty obvious, the citizenry had no AR"s. Do U know what AR as it relates to guns mean ?
    Well you could go with "Armalite" or "Assault rifle" or simply "Acutely ridiculous."
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    Good day:

    This legal immigrant provides a very clear explanation of the 2nd Amendment plus the need for high capacity magazines. He includes historical and legal citations as part of his approximate five minutes as part of the gun control hearings:

    Gun Control -- No matter what your opinion, you need to see this - YouTube

    Thank you.


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