Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care - page 22

Effective Aug. 1, state services, including the state health plans and welfare, will no longer be given to illegal immigrants in Colorado. This law, enacted by Gov. Bill Owens, in considered the... Read More

  1. by   ABQLNDRN
    Exactly--and I just have very strong opinions on this subject, so forgive me if I sound cruel. I have many friends of many races and nationalities and appreciate diversity. But this isn't about that. It's about resources being tapped out.

    I don't mind helping those who are trying hard and are just unable to make it, despite their very best efforts. If people want to come here to have a better life, great! There's nothing wrong with wanting to have a better life---but DO IT LEGALLY. That's all I 'm asking. Don't come to our country expecting hand outs, no matter what country you're coming here from! Contribute to our society, pay the taxes that the rest of us pay! I think the world in general has gotten used to the idea that the U.S. will fix everyone else's problems, and we are therefore expected to do so, but we can only be spread so thinly. There are only so many resources to go around. Where does the demand end?

    I understand wanting to have a piece of the American pie--but if that's what you want, then be willing to put in some time in the kitchen.
  2. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from spacenurse
    Healt insurance corporations own uildings where many smart people work. None of them care for any patients. I think they need to do useful work.

    I cannot let this comment slide by without acknowledgment. This is just so poetic, and so true.
  3. by   ABQLNDRN
    Quote from arwen_u
    i think a lot of people are attributing to illegal immigrants things that can be attributed to human beings in general....freeloading, a sense of entitlement, "what's in it for me?", and the list could go on. get any group of 10 million people together -- regardless of sex, nationality, legal status, skin color, or religion -- and you are going to have people who want something for nothing and people who demand things they don't necessarily deserve. you are going to have far more people who aren't like that. we have plenty of home-grown folk who want to sit on their butt and collect disability while i work mine off to provide for me and mine. don't blame it all on illegal immigration. you are absolutely right about this! i agree with this as well!

    i have had the opportunity to speak with many immigrants, legal and otherwise. by and large they came here because there was nothing for them in their home countries. people who have been to those countries (not just the resort areas...) will know what i mean. my husband and i are in the midst of immigration paperwork for him as well. i know what it is like to try and navigate the mounds of paperwork and fees and nitpicking. our system is not exactly user-friendly, even for a deserving user. people would come here legally if there were an easier way for them to do so. agreed--our government should facilitate the legalization process! trust me, no one would go through what most folks go through to get here if there were an easier way.

    only 1,000 unskilled worker visas were granted from ins (or ice, whatever they are now) in 2005. of those 1,000, exactly 2 were granted to mexicans. hmmm.

    my husband and i have been married for almost 5 years. our house, our bank accounts, our vehicle, everything is in both our names. we have a child. we pay taxes. we are no closer to him having permanent residency than we were the day we got married. does that make me mad? you bet. if he can't get his papers straight, what hope is there for a mexican (or honduran, or salvadoran, pick your country) peasant?

    for some thought provoking reads, try the following books:
    enrique's journey by sonia nazario
    by the lake of sleeping children and the devil's highway both by luis alberto urrea
    coyotes by ted conover
    with these hands by daniel rothenberg


    so there's my $.02
    for those seeking legal status, the system does need revision--there's much work to do.
  4. by   jmtndl
    Why don't you call the INS?
  5. by   jmtndl
    Excuse me...in reference to the man in the dementia unit that can't,apparently, be moved and is illegal..why not involve the INS?
  6. by   EmerNurse
    Probably because you can't, by law, pass off a medical patient unless you have an accepting doctor at an accepting facility - just which Mexican (or whatever country) facility/MD is going to do that and assume that expense?

    I live in the Miami - agree with the majority of the posts here - illegal immigration needs to STOP!
  7. by   pickledpepperRN
    Originally Posted by spacenurse
    Healt insurance corporations own uildings where many smart people work. None of them care for any patients. I think they need to do useful work.
    Quote from multicollinarity
    I cannot let this comment slide by without acknowledgment. This is just so poetic, and so true.
    Even with the typos?
    I THOUGH I hit those keys!
  8. by   HM2VikingRN
    [quote=maralenn;1978048]and how much money will this investment consist of? i think we are over-investing as it is. how much more do i have to deny my children so that i can provide for the children of those who steal from me?

    what was missed/ignored in my original post was the point that it is bad public policy to not support any of our own citizens for education or health care and that includes your children. (the children of illegal/undocumented workers born in the us are citizens by birthright.) ultimately my point has been to not visit the sins of the fathers onto the children.


  9. by   SaderNurse05
    Quote from StNeotser
    Did he have travel medical insurance and they still wanted this money? Nobody should ever go anywhere in the world without it.

    I'm a little confused about the legal immigrants mentioned in this thread getting public funds. When I immigrated here I either had to become a citizen or have paid ten years worth of taxes before taking any public funds. I haven't wanted nor needed public funds, but I'm wondering how they got foodstamps.
    I can tell you how. I have a patient whose is a member of an 11 person family.Both parents are here illegally. When she brought her proof of income, it was a hand written letter in Spanish on notebook paper to the effect of "My name is Juan Valdez. I fix cars and make $1000.00 per month". No copy of income tax returns here. She said this is what she used to get food stamps and WIC. When the program I had to register her for examined the records, the only thing they questioned was that on her food stamp application she said there were 8 children in the house, and on mine she claimed only 3. I have no doubt if I have to prove my income to the State of Texas they are not about to take some handwritten note from my husband. Meanwhile I do have people who are fully disabled who live on $623 per month that qualify for $10 per month in food stamps vs the $460 my other client recieves. Something has to give.
  10. by   Fuzzy
    [quote=hm2viking;1985949]
    Quote from maralenn
    and how much money will this investment consist of? i think we are over-investing as it is. how much more do i have to deny my children so that i can provide for the children of those who steal from me?

    what was missed/ignored in my original post was the point that it is bad public policy to not support any of our own citizens for education or health care and that includes your children. (the children of illegal/undocumented workers born in the us are citizens by birthright.) ultimately my point has been to not visit the sins of the fathers onto the children.


    i don't mind the childern staying as they are citizens by birth. i say send the illegal parents back to their country of orgin with or without the childern. let that choice be the parent's. the childern can stay as long as they are being cared for by someone who is here legally. just my thoughts.

    fuzzy
  11. by   caliotter3
    I can see all sides of this issue, however, having been born in this country, and having my own life view, I can say that whatever the rules: the rules should be clear, simple to understand for all, and followed. Do not punish one individual or family while letting others reap the rewards. I speak specifically about a family that was recently in the news here in Cali. Parents originally came illegally from the Phillippines. . . assimilated like so many illegals do. Back when an amnesty program was made public, they tried to do the right thing. What did the US govt bureaucracy ultimately do to them and their 3 children? Yes, they were deported. While I do not pretend to be an apologist for immigrants in general, I think it is inexcusable that these people who tried, at some point in time, to follow the rules, as made public by our govt were ultimately punished, while so many flagrantly break the law on a daily basis. And yes, I abhor the fact that neither myself, nor anyone in my immediate family can get a .... thing from my govt when I need it.
  12. by   Tim1957
    Quote from studentmalenurse
    What i do get is that i dont use terms that the present administration likes to popularize. (criminal activity , terrorist)

    Criminal activity ? Thats to funny . But if we were to really use that concept then basically all Americans are criminals, because basically the settlers came here illegaly , stole the land illegaly , killed the natives illegaly, stole slaves illegaly, So basically , we all just need to pack our bags and go because where all criminals.
    Now with this comment, you told us everything about your beliefs that we need to know. The posters in this thread were discussing a very real problem and then you chose to bring in this Aztlan argument. You just lost all respect in my eyes.
  13. by   weirdRN
    I have an idea. It is my opinion that every child born in the Untied States should not be Automatically a citizen. BOTH their parents should be citizens first. Then they may become citizens when they become adults. I think there should be a test for native born children to become full citizens with all the rights and privelegs there of.

    What makes a citizen? To me being a citizen means conforming and adhering to the laws of this country. It means being productive and contributing to the betterment of society. For every minute an illegal alien is here illegally, they are breaking FEDERAL laws and are thus not, in my eyes, eligible for any of the benefits of citizenship, including but not limited to healthcare and education, until they reconcile themselves with society.

    That means going through the immigration process legally.

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