Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care - page 19

Effective Aug. 1, state services, including the state health plans and welfare, will no longer be given to illegal immigrants in Colorado. This law, enacted by Gov. Bill Owens, in considered the... Read More

  1. by   Nitngale
    Quote from RebeccaOne
    So...considering all the posts & passions expressed above...what are you all doing, in terms of political support, fundraising, donations and activism...to help change anything in the USA? To move things toward whichever direction you support? Are there any true activists among us? I'm just curious...
    I try. I write, phone and e mail my useless congressman and senators (it really doesn't matter what party they are----their loyalty is to the business that pay for their reelection campaigns) almost once a week. The money spent on illegals far out way anything they pay into the system. Most of the ones I know, and living in CA there are many, don't pay any taxes at all. They work under the table for cash. I say fine the companies that hire them 10,000 a head and charge them a felony for each one they employ illegally. My boss hires some for weeks at time then they go back to Mexico. I asked him how they could afford paying a coyote etc. He laughed, and said they fly in. Remember also that the 20 billion a year that is sent to their 'home' is money not spent here. In many cases my heart goes out to the poor left in Mexico, but as I told my boss, there is no reason why Mexico couldn't have the same standard of living as we do, if they would take all that energy and get a government in that actually cared about the citizens. In the meantime we have real AMERICANS here that could use that assistance, oh maybe New Orleans. The end result is this, the United States of America, has become the United Business' of America. Read a book called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen. It was written in the 60's and I read it in the 80's. He talks about the goal of one world government and how the first step is to lower the standard of living in America and raise the standard of living in the third world. Sound familiar?
  2. by   Nitngale
    Quote from multicollinarity
    I don't believe it that Americans won't do these jobs even if the wage were a bit higher. Recently I heard Senator John McCain saying that Americans won't do these jobs, such as picking fruits and veggies. He said if the jobs paid $20 per hour - Americans still wouldn't do it. I say BUNK! My own grandmother picked lettuce every season. So did my grandfather. Finances were tight, but they had a car, and owned their own home and provided for their 2 kids. My point...yes...Americans would do these jobs if they could exist on the wages. Big business doesn't want to pay the wages. Yes, it would raise the prices for our produce. I'd pay more though, as a consumer, to support a society that pays AMERICANS a living wage.
    You're right, that is a load of crap and McCain is just a lackey trying to look moderate to get elected president. I work for 7.50 an hour plus tips delivering pizza (I start LVN school soon, eventually RN) and there are many other Americans in the same boat. That is what I'm afraid they will try to do with nursing.
  3. by   Mary Austin
    Great Post and right on!
  4. by   rjw4law
    Where do I begin??? FIRST OF ALL HOOOORAY FOR COLORODO!!!
    I believe it is all about culture, language and borders...no I am not a racist.just a law abiding citizen..I firmly believe America is great because we all immigrated here LEGALLY and built this fine country without welfare, without food stamps. Our forefathers came here and worked, and worked hard they did ....we became the best in the world....All of our ancestors did not come here to create a new Russia, a new China, a new Persia, a New France etc...They ASSIMILATED...ADOPTED the NEW WORLD'S CUSTOMS ..Those that came to the USA came here to be Americans....We are Americans by our CULTURE...LANGUAGE AND MAINTAINING the integrety of our BORDERS.
    This was the MELTING POT.... The Melting pot no longer exists....I have spoken to many an illegal who proudly state they will take back America from the Gringo by sheer numbers of them coming here. As one writer stated what about their children that are born here and are instant citizens.
    Let us rember...they were born here through an illegal act of the parents being in this country illegally. I think every illegal and there children should be deported immediately...the children gained citizenship illegally through their parents illegal acts....Check out the laws of MEXICO and see what happens to you if you are in that country illegally...At least Mexico respects their own borders and keeps illegals out .... those who get in....not a pretty sight!
    I APPLAUD Colorado, I hope other states wake up and follow suit....believe me California will be the last to do so.
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    History is way more complicated.
    The Spanish and English, among others did not assimilate.
    The term Gringo originated when Mexicans in Texas before the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo made fun of illegal United States immigrants singing "Green Grow the Lilacs". Some of these illegal immigrants to Mexico believed they owned their fellow homans.

    Some of us have ancestors who did not come here in historic times. Others did not come willingly.
  6. by   Nitngale
    Quote from spacenurse
    History is way more complicated.
    The Spanish and English, among others did not assimilate.
    The term Gringo originated when Mexicans in Texas before the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo made fun of illegal United States immigrants singing "Green Grow the Lilacs". Some of these illegal immigrants to Mexico believed they owned their fellow homans.

    Some of us have ancestors who did not come here in historic times. Others did not come willingly.
    Maybe they didn't assimilate during the 1800's (and it would have been the Mexicans and Americans not the Spainish and English) but the early Mexicans did. Today's immigrants have no desire to assimilate since very few have any desire to become citizens. My brother in law is Mexican, and his family has been here since the 1920's. The 'Illegal immigrants to Mexico" were invited by the Mexican government and they recruited Southerners to include their slaves. As for not coming here willingly you're right. There were many from Europe brought here as indentured servants or prisoners to the state of Georgia. The difference is NO one has to stay here. Anyone is free to leave at anytime. Those that chose to go back and start Liberia for some reason never severed their ties to the US and named many of their children after presidents of the US.
  7. by   Nitngale
    Quote from rjw4law
    Where do I begin??? FIRST OF ALL HOOOORAY FOR COLORODO!!!
    I believe it is all about culture, language and borders...no I am not a racist.just a law abiding citizen..I firmly believe America is great because we all immigrated here LEGALLY and built this fine country without welfare, without food stamps. Our forefathers came here and worked, and worked hard they did ....we became the best in the world....All of our ancestors did not come here to create a new Russia, a new China, a new Persia, a New France etc...They ASSIMILATED...ADOPTED the NEW WORLD'S CUSTOMS ..Those that came to the USA came here to be Americans....We are Americans by our CULTURE...LANGUAGE AND MAINTAINING the integrety of our BORDERS.
    This was the MELTING POT.... The Melting pot no longer exists....I have spoken to many an illegal who proudly state they will take back America from the Gringo by sheer numbers of them coming here. As one writer stated what about their children that are born here and are instant citizens.
    Let us rember...they were born here through an illegal act of the parents being in this country illegally. I think every illegal and there children should be deported immediately...the children gained citizenship illegally through their parents illegal acts....Check out the laws of MEXICO and see what happens to you if you are in that country illegally...At least Mexico respects their own borders and keeps illegals out .... those who get in....not a pretty sight!
    I APPLAUD Colorado, I hope other states wake up and follow suit....believe me California will be the last to do so.
    You don't need to qualify that you're not racist. This isn't about race. I don't want illegal Chinese, Dutch, East Indian etc... What does look racist is the new ruling that anyone here illegally EXCEPT Mexicans will no longer be ticketed but deported. Also why is it that if Cubans reach our shores they're given aslyum but not Haitians. You can't keep having a double standard. If you're illegal, you're gone. And these H1B visas need to stop as well. My neighbor originally came here from India by way of England. She has been here for 25 years----before H1B. Her family was wealthy in India (so much for huddled masses yearning to breath free) her kids are totally American to include those damn baggy pants. She told me that when they visit her parents in India people are always trying to pay her to adopt their kids and bring them over here. We really have no way of knowing whom is coming into this country. I predict in 5 years they will dissolve the border and refer to all of us as the American Union like they did with Europe.
  8. by   flashpoint
    Quote from spacenurse
    History is way more complicated.
    The Spanish and English, among others did not assimilate.
    The term Gringo originated when Mexicans in Texas before the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo made fun of illegal United States immigrants singing "Green Grow the Lilacs". Some of these illegal immigrants to Mexico believed they owned their fellow homans.

    Some of us have ancestors who did not come here in historic times. Others did not come willingly.
    Are you sure about that?
    http://www.snopes.com/language/stories/gringo.htm

    No matter what, I think that if you decide to go to a country and make it your home, you need to adapt to the rules, regulations, laws, customs, or whatever. You should learn the language (without forgetting your native tongue), you should pay taxes, you should drive on the right side of the road...sure you should keep your heritage and religion, but you cannot turn America into Mexico, Iraq, France, Canada, China, or where ever you happened to come from...you left that country for a reason. But we digress, don't we?

    If you go to almost any country in the world and become ill, you are expected to pay for whatever health care you require. You aren't exepmt from paying for your medication or surgery anywhere else...why do we allow it here?

    I don't think there will ever be an easy solution to this problem...it seems pretty heartless to turn our back on anyone in need, but often when we help one person, another person suffers. I often wonder where the money would go if it weren't spent on health care for illegals. I need to have my knee scoped...and probably replaced eventually...I keep putting it off due to the cost and missing work (I also hate pain and don't want to sit around my house doing nothing while I recover)...would I have fewer concerns about money if I were able to get help from the government? Maybe, but I will never know because I have insurance and I make too much money to get that help. Our citizens and our tax payers should come first.
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    Slavery was illegal in Mexico when Americans owned slaves in Mexican Texas. Mexico wasn't able to enforce their own laws.

    Columbus didn't discover America.
    People were already here.

    Truth is this is a very complicated problem.

    My grandparents brought their two sons to Chicago from Canada in 1926. They got jobs and never thought about waiting lists or legalization papers. When my Dad and his brother joung the Air Force for WWII the family became citizens.
  10. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from spacenurse
    Slavery was illegal in Mexico when Americans owned slaves in Mexican Texas. Mexico wasn't able to enforce their own laws.

    Columbus didn't discover America.
    People were already here.

    Truth is this is a very complicated problem.
    .
    To be completely honest, I don't care what the slavery laws were, or what part of Az was then Mexico, or any of that.
    The truth is very simple:
    1. We are drowning in a wave of illegal immigrants.
    2. There is a legal process for obtaining citizenship, for some strange reason, illegals don't want to use it
    3. The rules and laws of the here and now that they are breaking make them ILLEGAL.
    4. Sympathy/empathy do nothing to solve the problem.

    I'll work on solving the problem this next election-with my vote.
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    To be completely honest, I don't care what the slavery laws were, or what part of Az was then Mexico, or any of that.
    The truth is very simple:
    1. We are drowning in a wave of illegal immigrants.
    2. There is a legal process for obtaining citizenship, for some strange reason, illegals don't want to use it
    3. The rules and laws of the here and now that they are breaking make them ILLEGAL.
    4. Sympathy/empathy do nothing to solve the problem.

    I'll work on solving the problem this next election-with my vote.
    Good for you. Voting is important.

    I will try to find candidates who don't take money from wealthy corporations that encourage illegal immigration by violating the law. Also many of us are working for clean elections here: http://www.cleanmoneyelections.org/

    I think the labor laws need to be enforced. Utherwise corporations will "benefit" from denying basic health and safety regulations as well as minimum wage and overtime to "undocumented workers.
    These workers are afraid to report the very worst abused that threaten all of us.
    I have no problem with stopping people at the border or deporting those here illegally.
    I do have a problem with the few employers who are caught just paying a fine and continuing their illegal unsafe exploitation.

    One company here in Los Angeles sent recruiters to Thailand, paid families, and brought young women here telling them it was legal.
    They were literally slaves sewing for 16 hours a day, locked into the workplace, not allowed to use a bathroom, and sexually molested.

    BIG business has paid fines but done no jail time repeatedly.
    Farm workers don't have access to sanitary facilities. Since they have no place else the very fields that feed us have human waste. Salmonella and e-coli are spread.

    Those corporate farms, who donate BIG to political candidates are still in business.

    I can't only blame the people who are working to support their family. I would work the fields for minimum wage as some of my family once did. For minimum wage and legal working conditions many Americans would.


    http://www.laborresearch.org/story.php?id=89
    http://www.progressivestates.org/con...on-immigration
    http://www.progressivestates.org/blo...law-violations
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/busin...orm_02-04.html
  12. by   rnwaller
    Working in nursing for the last 16 years in six states I have had a variety of experiences but none so frustrating as the recent assignment in Houston, TX. Apparently, it has been commonplace for YEARS that Mexican residents drive (illegally)across the border to get dialysis. The Houston area health district spends an average of 100,000+ PER PATIENT/PER YEAR on illegals getting dialysis. By the way, since they are illegal, they come through the ER, to an ICU or telemetry admission for dialysis EACH WEEK!!!!!

    I am not a mean person and do not have a problem as previously mentioned to do preventive programs such as vaccinations, but where does this stop?Is the US suppose to support health care for everyone who physically gets across our borders? And for those who support providing the care I only ask, where does the funding come from?
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    Blame the super wealthy currupt government of Mexico.
    Not people who want to live.

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