Are nurses forced to assist abortions? - page 6

Hello, I'm looking into a career as an RN and I am just curious - Are nurses forced to assist abortions? I've heard recently of several nurses being forced to assist or they lose their job. Is this... Read More

  1. Visit  suanna profile page
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    Quote from AZnurse_2B
    I wish it was as simple as this. Part of the new healthcare plan includes mandates that all hospitals (even those that are Catholic) perform so many abortions each year ........
    I'm not an expert, but I get the feeling this thread was started just to spread some propaganda about and against the ACA. Did this section of the law specify if we are going to have to endure forced bussing of pro choice pregnant women to centers that are not up to quota, or are we just going to hold a lottery and pick names from the perinatal unit to be selected for the mandatory abortions?.
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  2. Visit  jadelpn profile page
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    Women have the right in this country to choose what they would like to do with their bodies. I am not of the thought process that many women take this decision lightly. There are just as many women who desperately want to have children, however, because of any number of reasons have to make a choice that can be heartbreaking. There are women who spontaneously abort, and this is something that can not be prevented. The religious right in this country have morality problems with that as well. No woman, for whatever reason, by choice or by chance needs to be subjected to the horror of entering clinics that are heavily picketed by people who believe themselves to be morally superior. Nor does a women need to be cared for by a medical professional who is of this line of thinking--IF said medical professional can not seperate one's self with one's professional self. Therefore, yes, give a choice on patients one would choose not to care for, as the patient would be better for it.

    It is a highly personal choice. It is sometimes not a choice, but having to deal with what one's own body has rejected. And that is an awful situation to be in for a patient. "Assisting in abortions" is not a character defect on anyone. It is not a moral decomposition. It is beyond sad that we have come to a place where medical procedures are trumped by superiority complexes.
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  3. Visit  jojo489 profile page
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    Here's my two cents, just because I can.

    I believe it is a persons choice what they decide to do with their body, whether it be plastic surgery, tattoos, eating crappy foods and getting diabetes, smoking themselves to copd, or even abortion. Each act has lasting effects, some worse than others.

    I am pro choice and I'm ok with saying that. But in saying that, I don't think I could ever have an abortion unless there were circumstances where it would lead to the death of myself or the little nugget in my uterus.

    That being said...to refuse to care for someone is unethical. Now before anyone has an attack..it's ok to choose not to take part in the abortion itself. But to refuse care to someone pre or post to me is just wrong. That's like refusing to take care of someone because they have aids...it's just not right.

    If someone were to feel that strongly about caring for someone getting an abortion, work in a different area because those patients deserve compassion. You don't know their reasons or how it's effecting them.

    I guess I'm pro patient more than anything. I don't mean to offend anyone and I'm not attacking anyone, but while you can pick your specialty in nursing you cannot pick your patients. And as another poster mentioned, how do you know that you've never cared for a patient who has had an abortion? Or that some of your coworkers haven't? I don't know, everyone has opinions but nursing shouldn't be about judging anything other than the condition of your patient and how to treat.
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  4. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    NO! Nurses are NOT forced to assist abortions.
    Federal law prohibits forcing nurses or others to participate in abortion or sterilization.
    U.S. code states:
    ... prohibition of public officials and public authorities from imposition of certain requirements contrary to religious beliefs or moral convictions
    No law authorizes a court or individual] to require

    (1) such individual to perform or assist in the performance of any sterilization procedure or abortion if his performance or assistance in the performance of such procedure or abortion would be contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions…

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42...0---a007-.html
    Hospitals have repeatedly lost lawsuits regarding this. - http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/fir...t-in-abortion/

    No requirement that hospitals perform abortions.
    --http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/
    Last edit by Esme12 on Apr 1, '14 : Reason: formatting
  5. Visit  Here.I.Stand profile page
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    I've never heard of this happening myself.

    Just don't take a job for abortion-providing women's clinics or in the ORs of surgery centers or hospitals that do them. Also if you have objections to emergency contraception (for the chance that it can prevent the implantation of a newly existing zygote), don't plan on working in the ED where you'll be expected to administer it to rape victims.

    Even if the hospital does them, unless you're in a unit that would be doing them--basically the OR--you won't have to make the choice in the first place.

    ETA: I haven't read through all the replies, just scanned some. But the OP wasn't asking if she can refuse to take care of someone who's had an abortion, she was asking if RNs can refuse to assist with the procedure. That's an honest question.
    Last edit by Here.I.Stand on Apr 9, '14
  6. Visit  Here.I.Stand profile page
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    And I just saw how old this thread is...
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  7. Visit  NeoNatMom profile page
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    I see how someone can have joy in providing care to their patients. But the child en utero is too your patient. It is only recently that people have tried to take the human identity from a non-fully developed person away. We should be in the business of preserving life and not taking it away. Abortion is not healthcare. Society is trying to "modify" what is healthcare. There was an instance where there were twins but one was black and the other was white. It was very rare of course, but what if the mother didn't want one of them? What if the mother had a preference to a particular color and requested the abortion of only one, simply for preference? You see how illogical this is. Nurses are suppose to make calls based on sound judgment. Trying to take away the definition of what life is so you can't call it killing is absurd. You do not even need religion to tell you that is wrong. It's science. Honestly, those who are in favor or support of the causation of death for any circumstances in health care are the ones who shouldn't be treating patients. It's just nuts. All members of the human family should be welcomed in life and protected by law. If we are suppose to have human rights, then pretty much, any human falls into that.The same was with slavery. Even though Africans and African Americans are human, they were put into a category less than, just as people are doing to children now. And back then it was also according to the law, so they are almost the same illogical wrong doings; don't forget about the Holocaust because that was legal also. Eventually, it will get so bad that almost full term abortions will become sanctioned and all because HCPs out there will not advocate for the second party. The mother has a body, and the baby has his or her own body, only attached via a cord. Nothing more. Why can't people see this?
  8. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    NO!
    Nurses are NOT forced to assist abortions.
    Quote from herring_RN
    Federal law prohibits forcing nurses or others to participate in abortion or sterilization.
    U.S. code states:
    ... prohibition of public officials and public authorities from imposition of certain requirements contrary to religious beliefs or moral convictions
    No law authorizes a court or individual] to require
    (1) such individual to perform or assist in the performance of any sterilization procedure or abortion if his performance or assistance in the performance of such procedure or abortion would be contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions...

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42...0---a007-.html
    Hospitals have repeatedly lost lawsuits regarding this. - http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/fir...t-in-abortion/

    No requirement that hospitals perform abortions.
    --http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/
  9. Visit  elkpark profile page
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    Quote from NeoNatMom
    I see how someone can have joy in providing care to their patients. But the child en utero is too your patient. It is only recently that people have tried to take the human identity from a non-fully developed person away.
    "Non-fully developed person"??? That's right up there with "pre-born child" (until now, my favorite anti-choice cliche'). Whether or not a fetus is a "child" is a matter of personal opinion; there are many varying opinions on this. What you are saying is your personal opinion, not a given, not "science." Abortion most certainly is healthcare (in my opinion, and that of many others, that is). And, sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not planning on getting out of healthcare, despite your thinking that my not sharing your personal views means I "shouldn't be treating patients."
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  10. Visit  KelRN215 profile page
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    Quote from NeoNatMom
    I see how someone can have joy in providing care to their patients. But the child en utero is too your patient. It is only recently that people have tried to take the human identity from a non-fully developed person away. We should be in the business of preserving life and not taking it away. Abortion is not healthcare. Society is trying to "modify" what is healthcare. There was an instance where there were twins but one was black and the other was white. It was very rare of course, but what if the mother didn't want one of them? What if the mother had a preference to a particular color and requested the abortion of only one, simply for preference? You see how illogical this is. Nurses are suppose to make calls based on sound judgment. Trying to take away the definition of what life is so you can't call it killing is absurd. You do not even need religion to tell you that is wrong. It's science. Honestly, those who are in favor or support of the causation of death for any circumstances in health care are the ones who shouldn't be treating patients. It's just nuts. All members of the human family should be welcomed in life and protected by law. If we are suppose to have human rights, then pretty much, any human falls into that.The same was with slavery. Even though Africans and African Americans are human, they were put into a category less than, just as people are doing to children now. And back then it was also according to the law, so they are almost the same illogical wrong doings; don't forget about the Holocaust because that was legal also. Eventually, it will get so bad that almost full term abortions will become sanctioned and all because HCPs out there will not advocate for the second party. The mother has a body, and the baby has his or her own body, only attached via a cord. Nothing more. Why can't people see this?
    This thread is not about one's personal views on abortion but, rather, if nurses can be forced to assist with the procedure.

    But, since you brought it up, are you interested in things like this happening here?
    Women die after Nicaragua's ban on abortions - Health | NBC News

    Dominican Republic abortion ban stops treatment for pregnant teen with cancer - CNN.com

    Because I'm not.

    Not one single poster on this thread has denied that a zygote, embryo or fetus is human. Of course it is human, produced by humans of human DNA. What would it be if not human? Feline? Canine?

    Not one single poster has claimed that a fetus is part of the woman's body either. A fetus has its own body which, for the duration of her pregnancy, is fully dependent on the woman. It is the woman's choice whether or not she wants to use HER body to support a pregnancy.
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  11. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from NeoNatMom
    I see how someone can have joy in providing care to their patients. But the child en utero is too your patient. It is only recently that people have tried to take the human identity from a non-fully developed person away. We should be in the business of preserving life and not taking it away. Abortion is not healthcare. Society is trying to "modify" what is healthcare. There was an instance where there were twins but one was black and the other was white. It was very rare of course, but what if the mother didn't want one of them? What if the mother had a preference to a particular color and requested the abortion of only one, simply for preference? You see how illogical this is. Nurses are suppose to make calls based on sound judgment. Trying to take away the definition of what life is so you can't call it killing is absurd. You do not even need religion to tell you that is wrong. It's science. Honestly, those who are in favor or support of the causation of death for any circumstances in health care are the ones who shouldn't be treating patients. It's just nuts. All members of the human family should be welcomed in life and protected by law. If we are suppose to have human rights, then pretty much, any human falls into that.The same was with slavery. Even though Africans and African Americans are human, they were put into a category less than, just as people are doing to children now. And back then it was also according to the law, so they are almost the same illogical wrong doings; don't forget about the Holocaust because that was legal also. Eventually, it will get so bad that almost full term abortions will become sanctioned and all because HCPs out there will not advocate for the second party. The mother has a body, and the baby has his or her own body, only attached via a cord. Nothing more. Why can't people see this?
    As nurses we need to be supportive of our patients and not place our personal beliefs and biases upon them.

    There is a huge difference between what is best for the patient and what WE feel is best by our personal opinions/feelings. The two should not intertwine.

    In ANSWER TO THE POST...NO nurses are not forced to perform abortions.
  12. Visit  caliotter3 profile page
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    I always thought employees had the freedom to choose. Don't like what the employer does, or does not do, find a job elsewhere. I'll bet that policies as important as this are no big secret when the applicant takes the responsibility to inquire before they apply for the job. Policy changed after hiring, give notice and go work somewhere else. Problem solved for the employee.
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  13. Visit  NeoNatMom profile page
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    Regardless we were not hired to kill. Pure and simple. It is completely different if it is a disease. The child is not a disease. Rules don't make it right. I have a mind and it is wrong regardless of how anyone on here tries to justify killing children. People are becoming more blind about this reality the more health care personnel support it. Like I said, abortion is NOT HEALTH CARE. Just because I may not work in that area, doesn't make it okay if others do it, or is it okay for a mother to kill her child at any age?


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