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I would like your input and opinions. What do you think about membership in the ANA? Advantages? Disadvantages?:confused:... Read More

  1. by   wildtime88
    nightngale1998

    This is directly from your profile.

    "RN for 3 years, working Agency in Denver these days, looking forward to becoming an independent contractor!"

    So you pay to join an organization that is pushing for legislation to flood the market with replacement nurses and take away the nursing shortage.

    Talk about cutting your own throat.

    Here are few words of advice for you. Start looking for a regular staff nurse job and forget your dream of being an independent contractor. Before too long, there will be enough new nurses that you will not be needed to supplement staffing.
  2. by   wildtime88
    nightngale1998

    This is directly from your profile.

    "RN for 3 years, working Agency in Denver these days, looking forward to becoming an independent contractor!"

    So you pay to join an organization that is pushing for legislation to flood the market with replacement nurses and take away the nursing shortage.

    Talk about cutting your own throat.

    Here are few words of advice for you. Start looking for a regular staff nurse job and forget your dream of being an independent contractor. Before too long, there will enough new nurses that you will not be needed to supplement staffing.
  3. by   december
    Originally posted by wildtime88
    nightngale1998


    So you pay to join an organization that is pushing for legislation to flood the market with replacement nurses and take away the nursing shortage.

    Wildtime88, Could you please back up the above statement with some data? "Flooding the market" and "taking away the nursing shortage" are not the conclusions I'd have come away with, with the information I have about the nursing shortage and the importation of new nurses. I'd like to compare it with your information. Thanks for any replies.
  4. by   donmurray
    Let's see.......
    12/25 " I am not going to tell nurses what or how to think, or even how to act"

    12/26 "Start looking for a regular staff nurse job, and forget your dream about being an independent contractor"

    A little inconsistency there, I think.
  5. by   nightingale
    Wild:

    I am not rejoicing in the nursing shortage. Nor do I believe you do. The field of health care is a business. I intend to work it like a business.

    I do not live off of the misfortune (or nursing shortage) of the medical field. I am a professional with an excellent product of service.

    I do not have you figured out Wild. I get from what you are saying that you claim to be pronursing. Clearly you like to point out the negative in an issue. But what solutions do you offer? The conversation goes around and around. Yes, it is good to make people think differently but eventually we all have to work towards solving issues. We have to do SOMETHING besides cry and be sarcastic.

    It is my choice to join ANA. I hope you decide to come to a meeting and expend your energies in a positive way. I hope all that energy you have can be put to good use.

    Bonnie
  6. by   wildtime88
    Last edit by wildtime88 on Dec 27, '01
  7. by   wildtime88
    No thank you, I am getting out of this profession and into one that actually has a future.

    I am thinking about ultra sound or occupational therapist as a long range goal. Little to no weekends, holidays, or night shift. Better pay, more respect, better overall working conditions and with a lot less responsibilities. I can do either of these jobs all the way up to retirement with out any problems what so ever. There is a shortage in these fields too and no one is trying to flood the market to replace them. So pay will continue to rise.

    Work smart or work hard for much less. I think I will choose the work smart route from now on.
    Last edit by wildtime88 on Dec 27, '01
  8. by   nightingale
    Wild:

    I wish you the best of success in whatever path you choose. Sounds like the profession is loosing one damn good nurse!

    In peace,

    Bonnie
  9. by   wildtime88
    nightngale1998,

    This profession has already lost a lot of good nurses and will end up loosing a lot more. Just add me to the pile, but hey evidently according to one organization we can just be easily replaced. There is no need to actually focus on fixing the problems first.
  10. by   nightingale
    Karen:

    I have read, with great interest, the ANA website..... excellent up to date information concerning activites....

    As for me... I will put my energies into being proactive, involved, and participating in positive posts who seriously and honestly address issues... (ignore the rest... eh?)

    Thank you for all your support and encouragement and positive modeling of appropriate action.

    Bonnie
  11. by   lgcv
    I once was a member of ANA, let me tell you why I no longer am, and why I ultimately changed careers.
    About 7 years ago the hospital I worked for began restructuring, standard procedure..."layoff" the most experienced nurses(read most expensive) Hire people off the street, train them for four weeks to perform tasks that were within the nursing scope of practice. The nurses in this hospital determined that their scope of practice forbid delegation of nursing duties to non-nursing personnel. Problem fixed right? NO, within two weeks the state hospital association, state board of nursing and the STATE NURSES ASSOCIATION had the nurse practice act changed to allow delegation of nursing tasks to anyone. When confronted about this the president of the nurses association stated "we have to pick and choose our battles and this was not one of them". That battle represented nursing jobs and nursing roles. If it was not the right battle then their priorities were seriously misplaced. They blow with the political wind, never going to bat for the nurses they represent if their is strong opposition from other health care organizations.
  12. by   -jt
    <within two weeks the state hospital association, state board of nursing and the STATE NURSES ASSOCIATION had the nurse practice act changed to allow delegation of nursing tasks to anyone.>


    That would be the state association which did that - not the ANA. The ANA does not make state decisions. It works at the federal level in Washington DC.

    The State Associations and the nurses in each state who belong to their state association make the decisions for what happens in nursing in their state.

    My state association fights legislatively state-wide & contractually at the local level against delegating tasks to other personnel, so I am curious as to which state association (and its nurse members) did this & what did direct-care nurses in that state do about it? Was the state president voted out of office for her comments?

    What was the rationale for your state association & board for changing the Nurse Practice Act to allow UAPS to perform more nursing? Thats completely opposite of the stand my state association (and others like it) takes in this matter.
    Last edit by -jt on Dec 28, '01
  13. by   lgcv
    This was the Virginia Nurses Association. There rationale was unclear, as stated they felt it was not the battle they wanted to fight....Political pressure is my thought. The members were not aware that the changes were going to take place, or that VNA was supportive of them until after the State Nursing Board changed the regulations. I do not know if the president stayed in office, I left soon after this. While your state organization may be very proactive I am still of the opinion that it will only be so to the point of not hurting political contacts. You can delegate to UAPs as well, were was the NYNA when that was instituted. Most states had a non-delegation clause prior to the restucturing craze of the the 90's.

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