Advocate Jane Fonda, International Council of Nurses

  1. Came across this...Looks like we have a star advocate for Nurses.We should use this as momentum to get others to take notice.

    Jane Fonda on Cloud nine after third divorce

    COPEHAGEN: Actress Jane Fonda has said she's happier than ever after her third divorce was finalised in May.

    "Oddly enough, this is the most wonderful period of my life," she told reporters on Wednesday.

    The 63-year-old actress was granted a divorce from CNN founder and billionaire Ted Turner, ending a marriage of nearly a decade.

    "While sad, divorce doesn't necessarily mean failure. The things which cause us the most pain are also the things we learn most from," Fonda said at the International Council of Nurses' World Congress. She attended to help muster support for the nursing profession worldwide.

    "Nurses are not paid enough because it's primarily a female profession, and they don't get the respect they deserve," she said. "But nurses are the bedrock of health care."

    An activist since the Vietnam war, Fonda's recent conversion to Christianity - which Turner cited as a factor in their breakup - has given her social commitments extra drive.

    "It doesn't matter if you're a late bloomer as long as you don't miss the flower show," she said. "I question everything I do in the light of what Jesus Christ would have done." (AP)
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  2. 38 Comments

  3. by   CaronRN58
    This could be a mixed blessing. Jane Fonda has quite a history.
    CaronRN58
  4. by   Chellyse66
    I can agree with that being raised in a military family by a father who served four terms in Viet Nam...there are issues.
    Here is further details I found at the ICN site which is here:
    http://www.icn.ch/

    "Fonda’s appearance is supported through a grant from Nursing Spectrum. Nursing Spectrum is an RN-led communications company and a division of Gannett Company, Inc. The company promotes the recognition and support of the nursing community by providing timely, relevant, and compelling information through its award-winning magazines and website, www.nursingspectrum.com; Nursing Spectrum Continuing Education; and Career Fitness Expos. For more information contact Cindy Saver, RN, Editorial and Production Director, Nursing Spectrum, at csaver@nursingspectrum.com. "
  5. by   duckie
    If she does for nursing what she did for the guys serving in Vietnam, then I'll get a job flipping burgers. Every vet I know speaks of her with contempt...this Hanoi Jane. Type in Jane Fonda and Vietman in your Internet server and get an education as to what her life has been. Not exactly someone I'd respect as a part of my team. Sorry, I'm normally not negative and I don't judge but she single handedly ripped the morale apart of the guys serving in Nam, many of who were already confused as to why they were there, but were there to serve because they were told it was the right thing to do. I cannot say anything about her impresses me. I have an ex-husband and a brother that served and a friend that died there, perhaps I speak out of anger.
  6. by   -jt
    now where did she come from, what does she have to do with nursing & how did she get involved with us????

    I know an ex-marine RN who is not going to be happy about this.
  7. by   rncountry
    Duckie, I appreciate what you are saying. My dad was a 33 year vet of the Navy. And we were stationed in Hawaii from 1969 to 1972, the height of the Vietnam war, I watched many, many ships coming and going from there as a child. My dad flew missions into Cambodia and Vietnam. He was a flight engineer on a P3-Orian. In essence an intelligence gathering plane. My cousin, a Marine, did two tours there. That said, I also think that if we were all judged by some of the stupid and misguided things we did as young people we would all be in a world of hurt. At least the majority of us. Her tactics for protest during the Vietnam war may not have been the best, agreed. However there were others that were outspoken during that time frame, not saying anything different that have gone on to be elected as representatives. And any way you look at it, the Vietnam war did not have to take place. If one reads "Vietnam, A History." it is interesting to note that the Country wanted independence from France immediately following WWII, the speech Ho Chi Mein made regarding this was modeled after speeches the founders of this country made, but because France was an ally in the war the United States would not support independence, nor would Britian because their own colonial system was breaking up, something they were trying to stop also. Instead France fought a 20 year war in Vietnam against Vietnam independence with the US sending advisors and seebees in support of France, thereby dragging us into the war, until we were active participants once the Tonkin Gulf incident took place. When the Democratic powers of the world would not support independence for Vietnam than Ho Chi Mein turned to the communist countries for support. That split the country into north and south. The southern part of the country could not be considered a democratic society by any stretch of the imagination, however in the eyes of our government they were a means to an end of stopping the communists. You lie down with dogs your bound to get up with fleas, in my opinion. I can clearly remember my mother talking about how it was North Vietnams fault we got into the war to start with, after all they were shooting and killing seebees that were only building roads. Years later it occured to me that the roads the seebees were building were for troops to go North. And in our own battle for independence and France fought on our side, did not the English consider them as combatants as well?
    So while I know Jane Fonda can be a lightening rod I also believe we need to take a look at the context the war was in, how it began and what it did to that country. Many, many mistakes came out of the time period, on both sides of the issue. And the ramifications of it are still being felt 30 years later. Supporting our troops is not the same as supporting an poor government policy. Like I said you may not have liked her tactics, and she probably doesn't think much of them now either. That is likely harder for her to live with, than it is for us. As Americans we have a right, nay a duty, to protest actions our government takes when we are dynamically opposed to them. If we learn a lesson from Jane Fonda let us learn not to allow pure emotionalism to lure us into untenable positions, instead come from the position of reason and forethought. But to also stand up for what you think is right.
    In regards to Jane Fonda, can we not understand the we all make errors in judgement, that as life goes on we mature and change? I wonder how many of us could have scrutiny into our own lives and not have at least one very embarrassing lapse of judgement that we would not want touted to the public. It is difficult to forgive someone we perceive has hurt us or our loved ones, but I believe that only forgiveness can bring healing. To do otherwise breeds nothing but bitterness that harms no one but the person that can't let go. It impedes one from going on with life. In my mind nursing had better move forward out of the mentality that has plagued us almost from the beginning, I welcome someone with a bit of media clout help us do so. Even if that means having that person be a lightening rod, a lightening rod sees a lot more action during a storm. And there is a storm brewing over nursing right now. Instead of telling everyone it is going to rain, let us instead build the Ark. And that is going to take many carpenters with different tools. Allowing for differences has got to be our strength instead of letting it be our weakness.
    Thanks, Helen
  8. by   JennieBSN
    Mmmm. Hanoi Jane, eh? I must say, I find having such a liberal extremist attempting to 'represent' my profession, and much worse, tie the whole 'oppressed woman' nonsense into it, quite disturbing. I don't think it's wonderful at all. Having her represent nurses is like having Larry Flynt represent the democrats. Yuck.
  9. by   imaRN
    rncountry, WELL WRITTEN !!! and "AMEN" to you and your opinion, I totally agree, "Lightening Rods see more action in a storm" and we need to take advantage of the exposure when we have the chance.It is not for us to "judge" every person who attempts to help us in our "storm" but to except it for what it is; HELP,(whether or not there is a hidden adgenda) (actually some people do really change and change CAN be GOOD)...imaRN
  10. by   -jt
    I heard from that ex-marine RN friend today.
    He wrote to the author of the article to express his opinion as a veteran and an RN. He sent me a copy:

    Subj: Response to Jane Fonda Article
    Date: 06/15/2001 6:53:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time

    As a Vietnam veteran that is presently a nurse, I feel that allowing Jane Fonda (AKA Saigon ****) to be considered a spokesperson for the nursing profession is a great mistake. The following article is just a small fraction of what people think of this traitor. Will be boycotting your group and forwarding this information to all I know in the nursing field until you announce that she is no longer associated with Nursing Spectrum.

    ***** * *****, RN, BSN, ONC, CHRNA
    Forwarded From:
    Charles (Skip) Klingman
    Asst. Professor of Music
    Southwestern Oklahoma State University
    Weatherford, OK 73096
    (580) 774-3219 FAX: (580) 774-3795

    Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam. Part of my conviction comes from personal exposure to those who suffered her attentions. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton". Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist; the "lenient and humane treatment"; he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.
    During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton.

    From 1963-75, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent
    6 years in the "Hilton" - the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.. His group,too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation"visit.
    However, they had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors".
    Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.
    She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile of papers.Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col.Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

    I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
    1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a black box in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary,a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs (My normal weight is 170 lbs.). We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals".

    When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes,for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient". Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
    She did not answer me.

    This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women". Lest we forget..."100 years of great women"
    should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

    Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.
    It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. ************************************
  11. by   natalie
    Hi jt,

    The Driscoll, Carrigan stories are untrue.
    http://urbanlegends.about.com/scienc...y/aa110399.htm
  12. by   -jt
    thanks Nan. I'll forward that to the vet & see what he has to say about it.
  13. by   JennieBSN
    Untrue stories or not, the fact remains, she has NEVER, EVER apologized for her actions, or even HINTED that they were wrong. Therefore, she has not 'changed' and 'grown.' She is still juvenile (rejoicing about 3 failed marriages?? hello??), immature, self-centered, and has no respect or reverence for military personnel in this country. Lest she forget, it's the military folks she slapped in the face all those years ago who put their lives on the line so people like HER could have the right to shoot their mouths off. She gets no respect or acknowledgement from me.
  14. by   rncountry
    Would like to just recommend another good book regarding stories like the one you posted Julie. It is called "Stolen Valor, How the Vietnam Generation was Robbed of it's Heroes and it's History." This is a long book, but it is worth reading just to understand how many unscrupulous people out there took advantage of stories that were often stretched from the war for their own gain. Be it for money, prestige or the need to have attention. It is written by a vet, and is very informative.
    Unfortunately all wars have horrible atrocities committed. The march to Bataan comes to mind. The rape of Nanking. One only has to think Nazi's and a whole world of images come into a persons head that are horrid. You can go into the history of every war and find it. I am not saying that what Jane Fonda did during the war was correct, I am saying that forgiveness is the biggest healer there is. If anyone also bothers to read the book that I posted you will find that many of the "facts" we take for granted about the war are not facts. They were stories used for sensationalism purposes, exaggerated and stretched almost beyond recogition in may instances. I don't mean POW stories. John McCain can testify to that. However what the vets in POW camps in North Vietnam experienced have been experienced by vets in WWII, in WWI, in the civil war and right on down. I do not negate what they went through by saying this, OK? What I am saying is that it happens in all wars, the difference this time around is the ability to have that suffering brought into our living rooms for the first time in history through the TV media. It contibutes to the mental images we have of the war, in the same way that WWII is perceived by us a the "good war" fought for a good reason yes. However our images of that war are of victorous troops with people welcoming them with open arms. Remember the images from that time were santized and censored by the government because there could not be a loss of morale. Right, wrong or indifferent that is what happened. And please recall that America pulled out of Vietnam in 1975, abandoning the embassary at that point, if I remember correctly the last combat troops were pulled from the area about a year to a year and a half before that. Troops left were for protection, not for missions. The reason I am giving this timeline is because the first incident that you are describing jt notes the year to be 1976. That in itself tells me that something is off there.
    The book I am telling you about is well researched, what it presents can be researched if one doubts what is in it. As is illustrated from the story Carrigan story, if one takes a little time to look into all the things that have been said occured regardless of rather it involved Jane Fonda or not, much of it would be shown to be little more than sensationalism at it's worst. Often there is little more than a grain of truth in it, and sometimes not even that. While one may not like Jane Fonda, she is also not quite the demon that some would make her out to be.
    Thanks Helen

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