...The Young Also Eat the Old - page 2
I have been a nurse for 24 years, but out of the hospital for 20. I recently, in a temporary state of insanity, left a position where I had worked for ten years. Like so many places that employ... Read More
Jan 17, '03"This supportive enviroment would include managment support and lack of lateral violence."
Oramar, I agree. When I first started out, I was looking for the highest bidder. Now, I don't care about that. I just want a job where I can go home feeling good about what I accomplished, and an enviroment in which good pt care is facilitated, rather than obtructed.
Jan 17, '03Having worked in a few hospitals I have found that it doesn't really matter how old you are....nurses are generally not very nice to each other (for some reason new grads seem to be an espec. good target). Evidently, there are enough of us who have forgetten that we are there for the same purpose even though our roles are slightly different. For the new grads, keep in mind how you were treated, and if it was a poor experience I hope you try not to treat another new grad the same way.
I try and stay out of the misery and fortunately found a nurse or two at the places I have worked and work who have as much patience for poor morale and negative attitudes as I do.
Jan 17, '03Interesting thread. It's a shame. People keep pointing their fingers at everyone else (management, government, doctors, etc.) as the reason for the nursing shortage. However, much of the blame belongs to nurses themselves, for treating their colleagues so badly.
I think part of the explanation (not that I mean it as an excuse) is that nurses are sometimes so "emotionally needy" themselves that they have little emotional energy available to be nice to each other. They take of patients, the doctors, their own families at home, etc. and drain themselves to completely to have anything left to give. The workplace becomes less pleasant, which causes more stress, which leads to a viscious cycle.
Jan 17, '03I used yo work in Illinois and left nursing for the very reasons you describe. It is called horizontal violence. I live in California now; it is no Utopia, but it is much better and it is union. Nurses are very supportive of one another.
Since you have nothing to lose, you should file a complaint with the labor board regarding the break situation. It is against the law not to get your breaks. It's not just wrong, but it's against the law. Report them.
Not to slam anybody here, but if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
Jan 17, '03[QUOTE]Originally posted by Flora
[B]Thank you for all your support.
I am so happy that I found this web site.
I have been feeling so forlorn and alone, wondering what I have done to cause my trouble. I realize we all have a share in what comes our way, but to know that so many other nurses, young and older, are experiencing many of the same problems across the US, makes me realize even more, what a systems problem we have.
Do nurses in other countries encounter these issues, or are we just lucky here in the USA?
I'm glad you shared your story!
When I started woking in Switzerland 3 years ago I got a good dose of 'Swiss Hospitality' aka :cold shoulder. The attitude in my University teaching hospital being : ' do what we say, we're right you're wrong & don't ask questions., you know nothing.' ( Actual yelled to me by a Doctor!!) SO, being the educated North American trained nurse, I challenged them the whole way.. Any show of initiative was defined as an act of mutiny.. Quite frustrating first year. Eventually, things got smoother.. But I'm still a tough cookie and go figure now they come to me when there is deep sh*t going down. One thing is for sure, don't let them get the better of you.. You've earned your stripes!! Stand tall!
Jan 17, '03Hi Flora,
Sorry you had such a terrible experience. It is unfortunate that we nurses are often our own worst enemies.
As both a worker bee and a sup I have encountered these nurses who think their s--- doesn't stink. I don't think it is giving in or giving up to pack your tent and go elsewhere. Look for another job and don't even mention you were ever at the place that termed you.
There is a difference between having to prove yourself competent and people being downright ugly and mean to anyone new.
The meanest, nastiest nurses I ever had to deal with refused to get along with anyone outside of their own group--agency nurses would work with them once and refuse to go back. Those nurses knew what they were doing and did it actively, with malice and forethought.
There's a unit in my hospital I have worked and would not work again for any amount of money, though I know I could do it successfully. What I see going on there is a pattern of "isolate the outsider behavior" so ingrained and habitual that they are fully unaware they do it. They even think they are open and welcoming to newcomers.
My point is saying this is that while similar the latter can be worked around if you have the strength and intestinal fortitude; the former isn't worth the bother.
We have to stop "paying forward" with bad behavior to newcomers, or nursing will never be anything more than a woman's job.
Jan 17, '03I agree with Dr Kate. Any other suggestions/input on how to redirect the negative energy floating around?
Jan 17, '03hey, flora.......
dropping by quickly on the threads....so i have not read all the responses.....
yes, I do agree.....
we nurses eat our young.....
young nurses eat our old.....
we eat each other.........
and we wonder why we don't get ahead..........
or maybe it is the illinois/iowa midwest thing........
oh well......I feel fortunate that I have what I have and for myself.....I demand today and receive respect.........
equal.......as a human to all, doc's, nurses, management, etc.......
pay is decent and benefits rocks....
and I am allowed to give patient care within my interpretation of standard nursing practice and the laws of the state(s) that I practice/ am licensed under..........
but it is a conscious choice that I make and it is not always honoured........by those around you.....
it just depends what battles are worth fighting.........
flora hang in there.......
we are not all like that.........
Jan 18, '03As a nurse who came up through the ranks, I am aware that there are hostile work environments on every level and in every field, not just nursing.
After surviving a couple of these over the past 15 years that I've been in the health care field, I have determined that no one will treat me badly. Period.
I have a wonderful job now and I am very happy on my unit.
So don't let them get to you, Flo. Never put up with a toxic work environment. Get out as soon as you can. And feel good about sticking up for yourself. Remember: When you leave, THEY LOSE.