"Shift goes to the lowest bidder..." - page 3

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  1. by   kitty=^..^=cat
    Pretty much... There were four candidates -- he was the youngest, and this is actually his first job as CEO. He's doing a really mediocre job, which tells me you get what you pay for...
  2. by   RyanRN
    jadednurse I literally, spit-my-coffee-all-over laughed out loud!

    This IS crap!! If the hospitals had done the right thing for Nursing to begin with, there would be NO need to seek outside agency help. They got themselves into this mess and I personally resent being used as a guinea pig to try and save their own arses.

    I thought we were all striving to remain PROFESSIONAL - this would be a giant step backwards.
  3. by   NurseGirlKaren
    Originally posted by JNJ
    Just to offer a little comparison - airline steward 'bid' for their shifts a month in advance - not in $ terms, but in terms of what routes and class of passenger they prefer to work.
    Poor comparison. FLIGHT ATTENDANTS and pilots bid for their trips--but they're always with the same company and on the same equipment ("class of passenger"). The same flight attendant is always based out of the same base (DCA, for example), and always on the same equipment (737, for example). The company knows who the employee is and the trips are awarded strictly by seniority. Just like staff scheduling in some hospitals; how desired days off are decided. The airline knows that all of the "bidders" are safe, as they've all met the company's training requirements.

    My opinion--lowest bidder nurse staffing is a BAD idea.
  4. by   liberalrn
    Amen, Nursegirlkaren. And not to knock flight attendants, but I really don't want to be on par with them in salary, prestige or corporate treatment. My sil was a FA and she says they were treated like a word I'm no longer sure I can type on this BB! Ah, progress! (forgive the digression, not trying to hijack--no pun intended!)

    Anyway, this new system works in only one direction--the employers. I require mutual symbiosis in my job......
  5. by   canoehead
    In the original article posted it did say that when the shifts were posted to bid on they listed minimum requirements as far as the ability of the nurse goes. Like oriented to the unit, having ACLS etc.
  6. by   nurse2002
    Why dont they just line us up so they can check our teeth before the bidding starts. You know, like livestock.
  7. by   wrightgd
    If I may... my $0.02

    I think most of you are taking this way too personal. If you don't agree with it, then don't bid on a job... With the nursing shortage being what it is, you can find work anywhere you want, and as much as we all like to whine about it, usually at pretty decent wages... This is an attempt to fill holes in a staffing schedule while utilizing the nurses who are already familiar with the hospital.

    Perhaps instead of looking at this as an insult to the "professionalism" of nursing, or as an opportunity to bash hospital administration for not meeting our needs as nurses, or a situation that jeopardizes patient safety...

    Perhaps we could look at the positives... Maybe the hospital administration is trying to get adequate staffing, so that nurses don't have to take 10 to 12 patients... After all, isn't that just as unsafe?

    Perhaps they are screening bidders, and accepting not just the lowest bidders, but ONLY the low bidders who meet the required standards to work a particular unit or area...

    Unfortunately, some have taken the us against them stance, and everything is a paranoid plot to degrade nursing...

    I do not work for this facility, nor am I in administration or management. I do bedside care like most of you. But if I could outbid you for a shift, and I was willing to work for free, then the only concern anyone should have is that I provide competent care for my patients. I hope that is sincerely everyone's concern who has posted here... Not ego, not pride, not professionalism... We have to realize that there's more to nursing than image... We are called to give more than we get back... It's the nature of what we do. Caring for others... Many of you realized this fact a long time ago, and you make up the foundation of nursing... Some will never realize it, and they are tomorrows bank tellers, waitresses, auto mechanics, or (fill in your second career of choice)_____ .

    Again... just my $0.02
    George
  8. by   jadednurse
    OK George, busted we are for being the slightest bit negative toward nursing administration, what with the low pay, dangerous staffing ratios, inept management, insane schedules, oh, and did I mention the inept management? LOL!

    You do make a good point about them looking for nurses within their own system. I don't think anyone will disagree that goes a long way toward the crappy morale inherent in alot of systems, however I think the issue for many is the "lowest bidder" thing. I think it will be very counterproductive to nurses trying to finally get paid a salary that has some parity with their qualifications, experience, responsibility and accountability. If you take an entry-level position with a salary similar to that of a new-grad nurse and then compare their salaries 5, 10, 15 years into their careers nursing salaries really lag behind.

    If administration is truly concerned with "fixing the problem" they really need to address the real problems and not treat the symptoms.
  9. by   -jt
    <Well, I guess I am being overlysensitive, because to me the inherent dangers in this practice are obvious.>

    I agree with you. I dont see anything good in this kind of system. Why are RNs doing this? Theres a shortage of nurses willing to take those jobs so the ones who are willing should be writing their own ticket & demanding the best pay for it - not low-bidding themselves. Theres something definitely wrong with that picture. What other professsionals are treated this way or would allow it?
  10. by   Furball
    That's exactly the point!! When I was involved in this "bidding" for shifts, it was the NURSES who CONTROLLED the hourly rate. I ALWAYS made $10-$20 more per hour than my reg pay. (sometimes as high as $50/hr)My heavens...if it were LOWER I'd have to be ...well...kinda dumb to fall for it eh? Solidarity is possible friends!
    Last edit by Furball on Apr 22, '03
  11. by   Furball
    I don't know if this hospital is still continuing this practice, I've since moved......I think it back fired (on them...ha!) because the nurses all agreed to not ever go below a certain rate.
  12. by   RyanRN
    Wrightgd---"But if I could outbid you for a shift, and I was willing to work for free, then the only concern anyone should have is that I provide competent care for my patients. I hope that is sincerely everyone's concern who has posted here... Not ego, not pride, not professionalism..."

    So far off based can hardly contain the millions of words in my head. And how many other professions would be willing to act the same? My guess, none.

    Groveling with thanks for filling positions with such 'creativity' so I don't have to work short handed after 'THEY" caused the very problem doesn't get the candy. Not for one minute do I believe this innovative marketing ploy was created for the benefit of bedside nurses. It IS all about money and in this case - the hospital is beneifiting. And, yes, I DO need money to live on. And that shouldn't in any way be in opposition to the compassionate,professional, competent, safe,knowlegable and prideful experienced way with which I care for my patients.
    Last edit by RyanRN on Apr 22, '03
  13. by   -jt
    <This is an attempt to fill holes in a staffing schedule while utilizing the nurses who are already familiar with the hospital.>

    If they are offering these as extra shifts to the nurses who already work there, its actually overtime then, isnt it? So what happened to the time & half they should be getting for it?

    I dont see that this kind of auction is necessary. There are hospitals all over the place that do not have bedside RN shortages - some even have waiting lists of nurses looking for jobs at those facilities. Because those facilities made a committment to nurses, have a culture that values/respects them, pays them what they are worth and improved their work environment, for starters.
    Simple solutions and no gimmicks.

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