Venting about BON involvement in DUI - page 3
:banghead:I am writing this because I am irritated that in the nursing field if you receive a DUI during your off duty time it can (and usually will) seriously affect your career. I have a colleague... Read More
May 15, '09just just just.... yeah.. I would have never NEVER have put myself in that situation if I had known where I really was at.. I always thought that drunk driving was the drunk college guy at the bar that could hardly walk.. I DID not know how little in your system could cause that.. I'm not fighting the system, I agree with it but I just feel sorry for me or those that didn't clearly understand the limits and got stung.. If I had felt any ANY alcohol effects on me I would not have driven.. I like I have said before agree that multiple dui's are different from one dui.. ( Did you know that over 65% of guys over 35 have one DUI ) Give someone some room to make a mistake.. are you perfect? at least one mistake.. it can happen and does not show who that person is for life.. yes sometimes it can highlight something.. but not always.. does this determine that someone is not reliable for health care? I do NOT think so.. Can you tell me that you have never EVER made a mistake on any patient... any patient, any diagnosis, anything? Really are you that perfect.. since your first day in health care you have always been correct? If you can't answer yes then do not reply.. I'm not trying to forgive everything, just to understand one moment does not define a person.. it took many moments to get you where you are.. and no single individual one should bring you down.
May 15, '09Quote from sdholtzIgnorance of the law is not an excuse. You wrote the test just like everyone else. You know that drinking and driving is wrong.I DID not know how little in your system could cause that.. I'm not fighting the system, I agree with it but I just feel sorry for me or those that didn't clearly understand the limits and got stung..
You've been caught once, you won't do it again will you? Then the system works...at least for you.
May 16, '09In 1996 my 26 year old sister was left a widow when her husband decided to drive home from a "get together". He killed himself and his best friend in the seat next to him. His friend was unrecognizable.
My sister was left a widow with a 4 year old little boy and no money because the $200k life insurance policy was denied. He was committing a felony when he died.
Need I really say any more about my stance on drunk driving.
I have also made mistakes in my life. I've paid for them. I'll never put myself in that situation again because I have control over what goes in my mouth.. unless someone ties me down and forces alcohol down my throat and the puts a gun to my head and tells me to go driving.. lol I doubt that will happen.
Life is way too good to get drunk/high. It's fun being sober.Last edit by Magsulfate on May 16, '09
May 16, '09Can you tell me that you have never EVER made a mistake on any patient... any patient, any diagnosis, anything? Really are you that perfect.. since your first day in health care you have always been correct? If you can't answer yes then do not reply..
We've all made mistakes dealing with patients.
But, the difference here is "making mistakes within the letter of the Law" and "making mistakes secondary to breaking the Law".
DUI=breaking the Law whether one is cognizant of how the Law is applied to drinking and driving or not. As one member pointed out, "ignorance of the Law is not an excuse".
May 16, '09Yes, a blanket policy is correct. You are lucky that you did not hurt someone else. You say you had not had a drink for some time before this DUI, well if I drank 3 alcoholic drinks I would be extremely drunk. Put a little Xanax on board and you are completely beyond impaired.
I believe that yes, the BON might go a bit overboard in the requirements for drug and alcohol abuse like having to pay numerous fines when you cannot work. But, if it saves one life than that cancels all negatives about the policy.
May 23, '09Sorry... driving after drinking is just not OK. Even with one glass of wine your reaction time is materially diminished. The Scandinavians have it right. By all means go out have fun but leave the car at home -- I have yet to find someone admit they are not OK to drive after they have been drinking. Don't take the chance.
I still don't know why it isn't automatic revocation of the driving license here when you drive drunk
May 25, '09When a nurse gets a DUI, this raises huge red flags about the nurses lack of self control regarding addictive and mind altering substances. The nursing board is not there to protect the nurse - their purpose is to protect the public. We all know that addictions usually escalate. She may not be coming to work drunk now, but how long before she does. I think the board should be watching her closely and maybe this will be the wake up call for her to take a serious look at where her life is headed. No way did her license get revoked due to paperwork.!! If it was, she needs to get a lawyer.
May 25, '09Why do people constantly refer to things like a DUI as "a mistake"? Breaking the law is not a "mistake" - it's a conscious choice. It only becomes a "mistake" when you get caught.
May 25, '09Quote from Nursing NCOAs others have already pointed out - this is not true. There are many careers where this directly effects your job. My husband has a commercial license in California and if he gets a DUI - BIG TROUBLE. You lose your license for awhile AND you cannot be insured. The DMV is also an agency that protects the public - like the BON.. Nursing seems to be the only job, outside of the military, where if you get a DUI in your off time it directly affects your career.
I too have lost a friend to a chronic drunk driver - back in the early 80's - when the laws against driving while intoxicated were pretty lax.
It does show a lack of good judgment. Which does make people wonder about your nursing judgment.
May 27, '09Remember when poor little Paris Hilton got her DUI in Cali? They acted like it was a crime to humanity for her to be sent to jail for a week. Give me a break!! Her family and friends were on tv talking about how it was just a traffic ticket and she didn't do anything wrong, she should just be able to pay a fine and be done with it.
Well,, in an instant she could have killed someone, or worse killed several people. People don't think about this sometimes when they're driving drunk,, or they get a DUI,, they think they just got caught. Better to get caught than to live the rest of your life with the guilt of killing others because you didn't get caught.
May 27, '09
nursing seems to be the only job, outside of the military, where if you get a dui in your off time it directly affects your career.
where i work, (engineering for a defense company) you lose your security clearance automatically with a dui. depending on your specific job, that may render you unable to work it anymore. where my sister works as an engineer in a chemical plant, you would be written up for getting a ticket on your off day for not wearing a seatbelt, much less a dui.
May 27, '09Quote from ghillbertUmmm...no.Why do people constantly refer to things like a DUI as "a mistake"? Breaking the law is not a "mistake" - it's a conscious choice. It only becomes a "mistake" when you get caught.
Breaking "the law" is probably something that you & I do every single day. Our laws are vague, overly complex, capriciously enforced, and just darn confusing. Yes, I think that most reasonable people know not to go out, get tanked, then try to drive home. I've seen the effects of that as a paramedic.
I'd suggest that not all folks with a DUI incur it as the result of a conscious decision "to heck with it...I'm gonna go out, get stinkin' drunk, then drive".
Jun 1, '09Quote from CrufflerJJMost likely true but it doesn't really matter in the end does it? Do you think if you tell the judge that you didn't intend to run over the 5 year old that the vehicular manslaughter charge will go away? Good intentions don't negate the fact that you made a stupid decision, got caught and now have to pay the price.I'd suggest that not all folks with a DUI incur it as the result of a conscious decision "to heck with it...I'm gonna go out, get stinkin' drunk, then drive".