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- Jul 8, '11 by Karl FarmerIt's refreshing to see some compassion in here, rather that that other offensive poster that gets off by casting stones. Nursing is awful and hard enough without some others playing the 'pious perfect and pretty as a pea' nonsense. Even though I am atheist- you CANNOT argue with: "Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone". I don't envy your position. Good luck.
- Jul 10, '11 by NRSKarenRNPlease consider calling your Employee Assistance Program (EAP) who will provide you information on resources in your community. They should have info on BON monitoring program
- Jul 10, '11 by lzinkDear easlel,
I would like to discourage you from contacting the state board of nursing for any reason once your in their sites Lord help you. Your State Nurses Association can give you the same information without having to disclose any personal information. As far as the EAP I just want you to keep one thing in mind...they work for the hospital.........
- Jul 12, '11 by jackstemQuote from Karl FarmerAnd when you MUST contact them due to a complaint and/or an investigation, do it through a license defense attorney. The board has attorneys advising them...you should have no less (unless of course you subscribe to the notion that the board is there to "help" you. They are not. The individual nurse doesn't matter one little bit to the board of nursing).Do not ever contact a nursing BON unless you have zero options remaining. They exist solely to separate you from your license.
We (nurses with the lousy DISEASE of addiction) have a tendency to develop verbal diarrhea when the board comes calling. We seem to think if we can just explain everything (and get them to like us), all will be OK. Unfortunately when we do this we often provide more information than is necessary. We also forget (or don't even realize) ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WE SAY TO THE BOARD (or their investigator) WILL BE USED AGAINST US!
We are not bad people trying to become good. We have a chronic, progressive, potentially fatal disease and are trying to become well. Sadly, most of our colleagues don't believe this (even though many say they do...just words). This includes members of the BON.
- Jul 12, '11 by lzinkRight on Jack Farmer!
- Jul 12, '11 by all_over_againJack, I love you because I can feel how much you care, but where on earth are downtrodden, addicted nurses supposed to come up with thousands of dollars? From what I understand, you work for an attorney and the attorney's job is to make his or her services seem indispensible. I get it.
Personally, I find the whole system fraught with conflicts of interest. The board has attorneys who make it impossible to retain a license without the assistance of another attorney, without regard for any evidence the unrepresented nurse presents to prove his or her abstinence and recovery.
After all of your "get an attorney, get an attorney" posts, you subsequently recommend that the nurse follow the nearly impossible demands of his or her impaired nurses program. What's the point? Follow the program without a lawyer and they screw you. Follow the program in the exact same manner but pay lots of money and then you'll be okay. Doesn't that scream of an ethics issue to you?
You only get to play the game if you have money to burn. It's the American way, I suppose.
- Jul 12, '11 by lzinkDear All Over Again,
I have done it both ways with and without an attorney. Twice the attorney made thousands of dollars and I lost anyway, once the attorney made thousands of dollars and I got my license. I'm getting ready to go around one more time for reinstatement. I paid and attorney thousands of dollars and he used to represent the bon, he made two "errors" on my application on the first page, for this he made money, when I made a mistake I was charged with "fraud." Go figure. So I fired him, put my faith in God.
Here is my most profound issue with the bon. THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY!!!!!
I am not aware of any legal system that is allowed to function without the person being discussed cannot be present. A convicted felon is allowed to attend his/her parole hearing! However, in some instances where the nurse cannot see the evidence, or attend a meeting his/her lawyer can!!!! Does that make sense to anyone? How does one defend oneself? A common criminal can be appointed an attorney by the courts and is allowed "discovery", depositions can be taken, he/she has the right to cross examine his/her accuser, and can present evidence. Every state is different, but in one state I was given 5 minutes to present any evidence I had to the bon. I had a handwritten letter from another RN stating how we disposed of shattered vials (3) of demerol or MSO4 can't remember. She and I disposed of these shattered vials just as nurses do all over the country thousands of times a day......the bon NEVER contacted her. Here is how I see things now...if they want you, their gonna get you.
As long as the bon's are allowed to operate without impunity the same injustices are going to occur and reoccur. And while I'm venting a little here, I am also up to here with being disrespected in letters and emails from the bon.
I would like to close this letter to you by saying that it is your sobriety that is most important at all times. Talk to your sponsor, go to meetings and vent these frustrations you have, and quite rightly so...don't let them get you down, tomorrow is another day and who knows what good the day might have in store for you. I understand you, and I feel for you, you are not alone. Linda