Evaluation scaries - page 3

Hey everyone! I am new to the site and I am in need of some help/advice. Last month I was accused of diverting drugs from a hospital in SC while on a travel assignment. I am guilty. I feel... Read More

  1. by   Nursebry91
    RecoveringRN- I appreciate all of your help. It means the absolute world to me. I would love to keep in touch with you and everyone else throughout the process. It makes me not feels so alone
  2. by   TriciaJ
    Quote from Oldmahubbard
    I have been a nurse for nearly 30 years, and had zero idea of what can happen.

    That being said, I have known a couple of people who were actually helped by the program. They had a real problem.

    The casual dabbler who gets caught, or gets a DUI after 3 drinks, I truly feel sorry for.

    But the system has no way to differentiate. Apparently.
    But wouldn't that be the whole point of an "evaluation"? So people aren't railroaded into a one-size-fits-nobody? I, too, had no idea the whole thing was such a racket till I started reading about it on this site.
  3. by   LadysSolo
    Quote from TriciaJ
    But wouldn't that be the whole point of an "evaluation"? So people aren't railroaded into a one-size-fits-nobody? I, too, had no idea the whole thing was such a racket till I started reading about it on this site.
    I agree, I too thought it was meant to help rather than be a money-maker for the BON and their apparent cronies. What an eye-opener this site has been (and it makes me even more disappointed than I was before with the BON.)
  4. by   Nursebry91
    So I wonder how they determine a diagnosis. A diagnosis for having a alcohol/drug problem or not? There has to be some sort of way to give a clear diagnosis of chemical dependency. Seems like they are just throwing EVERYONE into the addiction category
  5. by   catsmeow1972
    Quote from LadysSolo
    You could perhaps try medical billing an coding, or transcription, or something like that. Good luck!
    I went down the road of the medical billing and coding. Even still carry the credential. Problem is that with a nursing background (what are you going to put on you resume that you've done for the last X number of years) no one would want you for a strict coding job. I suppose if you could keep it zipped about ever having been in nursing at all you might make a go of it.
    However, because you have access to patient information, you still face a background check and the outcome of the criminal charges may make that difficult.
  6. by   catsmeow1972
    Quote from Nursebry91
    So I wonder how they determine a diagnosis. A diagnosis for having a alcohol/drug problem or not? There has to be some sort of way to give a clear diagnosis of chemical dependency. Seems like they are just throwing EVERYONE into the addiction category
    Yeah, that's about right. Treat them all the same, give them all identical contracts regardless of what brought them there. Makes it easier. Don't have to actually be concerned about what might be helpful for the nurse. They only have to be concerned with how much money can be wrung out of them.
    It will never be proven that there are kickbacks between evaluator owned treatment facilities and these programs but I would not be surprised to find out that there is something sleazy going on.
    In the real world, the way these things are run would shoot past unethical into illegal.
  7. by   kbrn2002
    What a nightmare situation to be in. Is there any way you could petition to serve your time [so to speak] in your home state? I would say I can't believe the BON would essentially force you to move to SC to comply with a monitoring program, except after reading some of the horror stories about the punitive money grubbing nature of monitoring land I wouldn't be at all surprised if that is exactly what they do expect.
  8. by   Recovering_RN
    Quote from kbrn2002
    What a nightmare situation to be in. Is there any way you could petition to serve your time [so to speak] in your home state? I would say I can't believe the BON would essentially force you to move to SC to comply with a monitoring program,
    I was thinking about the OP's having to move, and I think probably that wouldn't be necessary. If you're on vacation and get selected to test, you just go to a Quest lab, right? I know TPAPN will give me a list of labs I can use while out of town. I bet there is a lab in the OP's home state that the SC BON will allow him to use. And why would they care where the AA/NA groups are? All the rest, forms submitted, paperwork, can be done anywhere. We check in online. If we can continue to participate in our program while traveling on vacation, which we do, why couldn't the OP participate in the SC monitoring program from anywhere? Admittedly, they have given a preferred evaluator and that evaluator will recommend treatment, both presumably in SC, but after that, I think the program could be done from another state.

    I haven't thought through all the myriad details that might complicate this issue, but at least it's worth considering, before moving to SC!
  9. by   Oldmahubbard
    It astounds me that people are being diagnosed with substance use disorder on the basis of a personality test.

    That drivel has long been discredited.
  10. by   catsmeow1972
    Quote from Oldmahubbard
    It astounds me that people are being diagnosed with substance use disorder on the basis of a personality test.

    That drivel has long been discredited.
    Their being diagnosed with a substance use disorder based on what the evaluator says. Never mind the results of any test. I got (supposedly) full copies of both the evaluations I've had to have (the second one was a bunch of BS, not going there) and nothing had the results of any personality testing. All they had were the P, hair, etc tests and the opinion written by the evaluator. There is nothing included that supports that opinion. Shoot, in mine there's a bunch of stuff that I supposedly said that I did that I most certainly did not (smoked marijuana in high school and drove drunk in college????) That was fun given that I attended a tiny private school, never smoked and don't know how and can count on one hand the times I've even had a drink, nevermind gotten drunk.
    This folks, is how these "approved evaluators" diagnose substance abuse disorders.
    Oh and one of my goals after treatment? Reunite with my husband.
    I've never been married.....
  11. by   Oldmahubbard
    Sounds like you really had a thorough evaluation!

    What a crock
  12. by   Nursebry91
    So I can do SC monitoring program in my home state (the drug testing, meetings, etc.) however, I can NOT work as a nurse in my home state. I could only work as a nurse in the state of SC bc that is where I'm doing the program. So for the five years I'm in this mess... I can't be a nurse unless I move to SC.
  13. by   catsmeow1972
    As best I can tell, contracts seem to require that you only work as a nurse for 12 months of the duration of the contract. Given the difficulty that many have of finding a job with the restrictions put into place, it often takes quite some time to do that. Heck, if they made people work in nursing for the whole five years of a contract, nobody would ever be done. God help us if they cooked up that idea.
    You could conceivably suffer through thier farce of a treatment. Get what you will out of it. Move home. Do whatever not in nursing, get some time under your belt. On the downhill run, start looking at jobs in SC and go from there. Or move home temporarily and keep on the prowl for SC jobs. You could be pleasantly surprised. Some have been fortunate to find decent jobs, pretty quick.
    There are options...not all of them totally lousy

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