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No. 30
Old Jun 26, 2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Magsulfate View Post
I seen/heard about this too! It will be interesting to see this play out.

And you are so right, death is too often the bottom for some people.
god have mercy on his soul is all i have to say. IV demerol....injections in the home?
I remember when anna nicole smith died they were crucifying her doc for writing the scrip.....can you imagine if this doc injected him? can you say MURDER? I bet the DA can
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No. 31
Old Jun 26, 2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Magsulfate View Post
He can try to run away all he wants, but he will not be able to hide from the Texas BON. Just go here http://www.bon.state.tx.us/disciplin...entaction.html and look at just the most recent records of disciplinary action that the Texas BON has taken. It's right there in black and white. Public record. They do not go easy on people that have had a chance with TPAPN and threw it away. I have read the court orders for many of these and the end result in most all of them is REVOCATION of licensure. There are several court orders from and to other states of disciplinary action taken against nurses. NO, He will NOT be able to work as a nurse in another state once Texas realizes he is non compliant and has moved from the state.

If a nurse complies and signs on with TPAPN, it is an alternative to disciplinary action. There is no action taken against the license. HOWEVER, the nurse MUST remain in Texas until completion of TPAPN or they WILL CERTAINLY face a board disciplinary hearing. Like I said in an earlier post, Texas BON does not play around with addiction/substance abuse nurses. I can gaurantee that if he has had an incident at work and has been turned into the board, that they will not let him practice in another state. It may take a few months, but they will catch up to him and he will not be able to hide anymore.

I can not reiterate enough, and I hope you tell him this, heck, let him read our posts. HE CANNOT PRETEND THIS IS NOT HAPPENING. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY.

Anyway, I just want to say that you have done the right thing and now all you can do is be there for him. Maybe having him read a few of these posts will not be such a bad idea. I know that you cannot do anything about his denial. Just like Jack said, that is the number one symptom. He has to realize it before treatment will be effective.

Good luck
I am going to talk to him again on Sunday. I will give him this link. I think you are right...it might help. I think it might be different coming from you guys....so...thank you.
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No. 32
from jackstem
Old Jun 26, 2009, 08:04 PM

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I want to understand. I do. But it is kinda confusing. part of it...I understand....some I dont. BC I like alot of things.....like chocalate....I like my motorcycle.....I like whitewater rafting.....but if any one of them could jeporadize my livelihood I would choose to not do them.
That's because you're not an addict.

And where I get confused is you guys make a decision each and every day....to not drink...not do drugs. It is hard for me to imagine wanting something so bad Id give up everything for it. I am trying to wrap my mind around that....but it isnt clicking.
That's because you're not an addict.

What was it that made you choose to stop...bc the way he is acting is like this is being forced upon him and he is not a happy camper.
It IS being forced, and he's NOT a happy camper. Remember...brain chemistry and structure changes. Change your brain chemistry and you change the way you think. You change your emotional response. You change your ability to make rational decisions.

What made me stop? Losing everything that mattered, including almost losing my life. Having people in my life with the guts to step in and tell me THIS ENDS NOW! If you choose to continue, you're going to prison. Having people who stopped bailing me out of the jams I was getting into. And most importantly, having time away from all mood altering substances long enough to allow my brain to begin to heal so I could actually learn about the disease and learn new ways of dealing with temptation, anger, fear, pain, etc.. I learned the things that triggered a desire to use and did my best to avoid them. I had other recovering people I could call when I was tempted, who would drop whatever they were doing to come to my aid. I had people in my life who loved me enough to look beyond the crazy things I did when I was using and my disease was active. People who knew and know that that's not who I am.

Can it work if it is being done without the person being real receptive at first.....or is he wasting everyones time until he finally wants to work through their program?
Yes, research shows the addict doesn't have to want treatment for it to work. The thing that's more important than desire to get better is the amount of time spent in appropriate, evidence based treatment. The "magic number" seems to be 90 days. Treatment programs less than 90 days have a significantly lower rate of success (defined as continuous sobriety of one year) than those that last 90 days or longer. We're talking residential treatment.

Were you "ready" and participate for your intervention/rehab? What ...if you dont mind me asking is THE THING that made you choose to stop?
Of course not! But I think most recovering addicts will tell you there is an enormous sense of relief when they finally "get caught". Isn't it interesting that other diseases are diagnosed, while the addict "get's caught"? If you look at the langauage associated with addiction, it's generally negative and associated with stigma. You freely admit you have a tough time accepting this is a disease. Of course you do. Have you ever really learned ANYTHING about the diease of addiction? I'm not talking about the complications associated with addiction (cirrhosis, infections, sudden death, etc.)? Of course not. If you had, you wouldn't be asking all of these excellent questions. Most people think they "know" about addiction. No they don't. And that is the fault of the educational programs around the country. It's one of the major areas of focus for those of us involved in the advocacy movement.

If there is one thing that is seriously lacking in nursing school is the lack of emphasis on science, especially physiology and pharmacology. We care for physiological beings with pharmacological substances, yet we (nurses) have very little understanding of the pathophysiology of the disease process or the pharmacology of the drugs we're administering to treat these diseases. Can you explain how opioids cause analgesia? I mean other than "they bind to receptors in the brain". Which receptors cause which effects? Which receptor causes euphoria. Why doesn't benadryl help the person who has itching associated with opioid administration? Why does administering nalbuphine reverse itching and respiratory depression from opioids but maintain analgesia? It's this elevated level of knowledge that supposedly seperates us from the concerned volunteer. So, the reason you and almost every other nurse struggles with understanding addiction is based in a lack of understanding of physiology and pharmacology. And its not just nurses. Doctors, pharmacists and many, many other health care "professionals" don't understand this stuff either. I have teamed with a nurse attorney to develop a series of workshops regarding addiction and the legal ramifications associated with the disease. We have canceled them. Why? Because no one was signing up to attend. Nurses told us they don't see addicts in their practice so they don't need the class right now (Yeah....right). I'll never become addicted so why waste my time or money? Ummmm...OK. I lready know everything I need to know about addiction. I seriously doubt that.

One of the things that has been a benefit of the research looking into the science of addiction is the overall function of the brain, which areas are responsible for things like judgment, memory, learning, motivation, etc. We like to think that we consciously decide what we're going to learn and what is going to motivate us. In reality, much of what we learn is below our level of consciousness. Many of the "rules" we live our lives by are learned before we even make it to 1st grade.

The brain is wired at it's most basic level to focus on 2 things:
  1. Survival of the organism (you)
  2. Survival of the species (procreation)
Anything the brain perceives as accomplishing one or both of these "directives" is rewarded with a jolt of dopamine in the most primitive areas of the brain. So, when you have sex...DOPAMINE! When you eat...DOPAMINE! When you do a great job at work...DOPAMINE! When you nurture and care for your children...DOPAMINE!!

Dopamine + context (what's going on at the time of the activity being rewarded) = I'll do that again.It's the brain's way of ensuring survival. Now...when the activity has become ingrained...essentially a reflex...the brain says "OK...dopamine is no longer needed to assure this activity will continue." So, the brain has a self-limiting ability when it comes to the need for dopamine rewards.

In the potential addicts brain...the person with the genetic susceptibility to addiction...this dopamine reward system isn't the same as the person without the genetic possibility of becoming an addict. In other words, when a non-susceptible person takes a mood altering substance, their brain may find the sensation "interesting" or "pleasurable", but not excessively so. What is more likely to happen is their brain will find the sensation less than wonderful, even unpleasant.

In the potential addict, ingesting a mood altering substance causes a significantly increased level of dopamine. Their brain says, "Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Baby! THIS is EXCELLENT!!!! I have GOT to do THIS again!" And unlike a natural activity which releases a modest amount of dopamine causing pleasure, the addict's brain dumps tons of dopamine every time. It assures the continued use of the substance. After enough exposure to this substance, their gene for addiction is switched on. They have crossed the line from someone who abuses a substance to someone who REQUIRES the substance! This is the difference between the abuser and the addict. Biochemistry!

The abuser may experience many of the negative consequences the addict experiences. The abuser eventually says, "This sucks! I'm getting in trouble. My boss is threatening to fire me. My wife says she's going to leave. The kids hate me. I have got to stop drinking/using before everything is gone or I end up hurting myself or someone else."

The addict? Their brain needs more drug. But I'm losing everything! The brain needs more drug! My wife left me! The brain needs more drug!! I lost my job! The brain needs more drug!!! You almost killed someone in an accident last night!!

THE BRAIN NEEDS MORE DRUG!!!!!!!!!!


Liking chocolate, motorcycles, white water rafting isn't even close to addiction.

While the brain keeps needing more drug, a variety of areas are beginning to deteriorate. The pre-frontal cortex, the area where judgment and impulse control takes place, begins to function less an less. This means I'm becoming less and less capable of making rational decisions about my drug use, and I certainly can't control my impulse to use. If I have the drug available, then I'm going to use it until it's gone. Once it's gone, I'm going to focus on getting more...nothing else really matters.

When I get the drug, I'm going to use it until it's gone. When it's gone...I'm going to get more....and so on, and so on, and so on.

Another dual effect of addiction is even more frightening. The drugs releasing this exagerrated amount of dopamine means the addict is strongly motivated to continue using the drug. Meanwhile, the "natural" motivators...sex, food, caring for children, doing a great job, playing your favorite game or sport LOSE their ability to motivate a person.

So how does an addict stop? Through an intervention.

When someone hears "intervention", most folks think of the room filled with family, friends, or colleagues. That's only one type of intervention. There are numerous others as well.

Getting pulled over for a DUI is an intervention.

Your spouse threatening divorce is an intervention.

Your boss threatening to fire you...or actually firing you is another intervention.

Ending up in the hospital after an accident (auto, falling down the stairs, or an accidental OD etc.), is an intervention.

Getting arrested for domestic violence, assault, robbery....these are all interventions. The problem is, there are too many "enablers" around that soften the blow of these "natural" interventions. People who want to help the addict by protecting them. They call the boss and lie about the addict being ill. They lend them money for the bills. All this does is allow the addict to keep using and the disease to keep progressing.

A well planned intervention covers every excuse and rationalization the addict has for avoiding treatment.

  • I have to pay those bills! (We have them covered while you're in treatment.)
  • I can't miss that meeting at work! (The meeting has been postponed until you're out of treatment.)
  • What about the kids!? (They're staying with Grandma and Grandpa.)
  • If I miss work I'll get fired! (Your boss said to go to treatment. Your job is safe UNLESS you refuse to go to treatment.)
  • No way! I'm not going to treatment! I'm not an addict! I can quit anytime I want! (No you can't. You keep saying that but you never stop for long. If you don't go to treatment here's what will happen. You can't come home. You can't see the kids. No one in the family will let you stay with them. No one will give you money or food. You will be fired. And if you still refuse, then your license will be revoked and we will prosecute you for diversion. We know you're ill. We know treatment will be difficult. We know it will take some time to get you to the point where you can return to work. We are willing to do whatever it takes to help you get well and learn to stay clean and sober. We will do anything to help you get well. We will not continue to help you die from this disease.)
An abuser can see the bad things going on in their life. They recognize why it's a problem. They can decide to get help or quit on their own. The addict cannot. They need help. They need an intervention.

Some addicts can't stop even after multiple interventions and multiple treatment sessions. Some addicts will die from this disease. Just as some patients with cancer will die no matter how aggressive the treatment.

As I said in a previous post, I wanted to make people understand what I experienced as an addict. The despair that led to an aborted suicide attempt. The continued use after an accidental OD. The relapses. The loss of my career as a nurse anesthetist. The loss of 2 marriages (one because of my disease, the other because of hers and her refusal to seek help). But as most addicts eventually realize, a nonaddict will never understand completely what it's like to do things so destructive to yourself and the people you love. As I told my nephew...the day you understand what an addict goes through is the day you will be sitting in a meeting with me because YOU are an addict. You will never fully understand what happens for the addict. Be thankful for that. Everyone in recovery in this community feels the same way...We NEVER want to see someone go through this garbage! I don't even want people I don't really like to go through this. It's why I do what I do.

Keep asking questions. Keep reading and studying. Keep reaching out to those who suffer with this disease. We CAN change the way this disease is treated, but it's going to be difficult. That's no reason to stop trying.

I know I will never stop trying.

Jack
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No. 33
Old Jun 27, 2009, 09:13 AM

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Jack,........wow. I am so sorry that those things happened to you. Nursing...is a unforgiving group....pretty darn judgemental. I think.....if you spoke to nursing students...or people who work in high specialty areas.....you could change alot of views about this disease. You could change alot of peoples lives. Your story is powerful. It is different when you read about a disease...an illness. There is no comparison between reading a book on it and speaking to someone who lives with the disease every day. That story....is powerful. Your disease ....it costs you so much. What is that saying? What doesnt kill you will make you stronger. Man....you could be in the running for World heavy weight champion. I cant imagine goingthrough that. What about now....your clean....your sober....you have changed. So can you get your CRNA liscense back? Is that a possibility?I mean....it is no different facing fentanyl everyday...then it is passing the neighborhood liquor store. So...can you? Can you work as a CRNA again?

I think you guys have heard all the stories before...so what he needs is probably some people like you guys. You will probably reconize all the different tactics he will use...whereas I am easy prey. When I began to see signs that something wasnt quite right a few months back. Iasked him " Do you have a problem? Bc....we were all just having dinner and the next thing I know we are chasing his ass down the bypass where he had taken off running from the resturaunt trying to strip off buck naked. Not fun...not fun at all. And when I aske dhim...he had this way of making me feel like an ass for even asking. He made me feel bad that I had even asked that. You guys...have probably heard everything before though.

I checked my voicemail at work yesterday and I got a message from him that said "I cant stay in this program. It is crazy. I cant be off work for a month". So...I laughed whenI say your post...bc you have heard this before. Do you know if any of the state boards have any programs to help them out with bills while they are in treatment? I mean...potentially he will loose everything finicially.

So...do you call each other out at these meetings? Like if you know one of your group members is just saying BS to get them through the meeting. See....from your posts I could easily picture you doing that. ...seeing through everyones BS.....and calling them out on it. I think ....you guys would be way more effective for him now than me.

He got a look at his contract yesterday and he was not happy. AA meetings everyday...peer group meetings weekly....etc etc
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No. 34
from Magsulfate
Old Jun 27, 2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Keysnurse2008 View Post
Jack,........wow. I am so sorry that those things happened to you. Nursing...is a unforgiving group....pretty darn judgemental. I think.....if you spoke to nursing students...or people who work in high specialty areas.....you could change alot of views about this disease. You could change alot of peoples lives. Your story is powerful. It is different when you read about a disease...an illness. There is no comparison between reading a book on it and speaking to someone who lives with the disease every day. That story....is powerful. Your disease ....it costs you so much. What is that saying? What doesnt kill you will make you stronger. Man....you could be in the running for World heavy weight champion. I cant imagine goingthrough that. What about now....your clean....your sober....you have changed. So can you get your CRNA liscense back? Is that a possibility?I mean....it is no different facing fentanyl everyday...then it is passing the neighborhood liquor store. So...can you? Can you work as a CRNA again?
Yes, we all have a story... and it all boils down to addiction/alcoholism eventually leads to death if not treated. Imagine how close we have gotten to death. I know that i have gotten real close, maybe not as close as Jack, but we will never know now, and I really don't want to know ! Jack will have to answer abou this liscense,, as far as me, I completed TPAPN. People do it everyday. It is a great program and gives nurses who need it the opportunity for a second chance at life and a second chance at thier career.




Originally Posted by Keysnurse2008 View Post
I think you guys have heard all the stories before...so what he needs is probably some people like you guys. You will probably reconize all the different tactics he will use...whereas I am easy prey. When I began to see signs that something wasnt quite right a few months back. Iasked him " Do you have a problem? Bc....we were all just having dinner and the next thing I know we are chasing his ass down the bypass where he had taken off running from the resturaunt trying to strip off buck naked. Not fun...not fun at all. And when I aske dhim...he had this way of making me feel like an ass for even asking. He made me feel bad that I had even asked that. You guys...have probably heard everything before though
If he's taking off his clothes and running through the street naked then, umm.. yeah, he's got a problem.

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Originally Posted by Keysnurse2008 View Post
I checked my voicemail at work yesterday and I got a message from him that said "I cant stay in this program. It is crazy. I cant be off work for a month". So...I laughed whenI say your post...bc you have heard this before. Do you know if any of the state boards have any programs to help them out with bills while they are in treatment? I mean...potentially he will loose everything finicially.
Every single nurse that enters TPAPN will do this. We all made it. We sacrifice to recover. I would not have recovered if I had a full bank account and was able to spend money on a whim to buy pills and drugs?? I would have KILLED MYSELF, on accident of course. So, being off of work for a month or so serves more than one purpose.
1. It gives time for the nurse to detox.
2. There is no cash flow to go buy the drug of choice/alcohol.
3. For me this period of unemployment opened my eyes and made me really appreciate my license and it showed me how fast and easily it can be taken away.

Had I been able to keep working through this detox period, I would not have detox'd, I would have used my paycheck to keep buying pills.

He can do it, and he will need to realize that he MUST do it. But, you know what, and I'm going to say this, and I want you to read this carefully. You can't MAKE him do anything. Eventually, the alcohol will beat him down and maybe he will realize what he needs to do. There are homeless people on every street corner, and most of them are alcoholics. You see, they still don't have a problem,, right? BUt they don't have a job, they don't have a home, they don't have a family. They gave it all up for this disease. They were never able to be treated for one reason or another. I know you would hate to see this happen to your friend.

It sounds like they've already been informed at TPAPN. I will tell you again.... TPAPN and Texas BON do NOT play around when it comes to this. I know,, I have been there. I don't want to go back, EVER. It is bad,,, and YES, IT SUCKS..... but .. guess what,, he made his bed, now he has to lay in it. IF he doesn't like it, the Texas BON will take his nursing license away and he'll have to find an other way to get his alcohol. I know I sound mean today. BUt this is how you need to tell him. Really. Mom needs to cut the apron strings and get this boy sober. He needs to realize that no one is going to help him unless he stays sober and works the recovery program he has been given the opportunity to volunteer for. This is a VOLUNTEER program,, no one can make him do it. The ball is rolling already,, he can't back down. He has no choice. Do it, or lose his license. There is really no other choice. I will say it again... the board has NO SYMPATHY for addicted nurses.

SO,, here's what you can tell him the next time he tells you it sucks and he wants to quit.... YOu can tell him... okay, go ahead and quit. BUt guess what.. this will follow you to another state. and YES you will get your license revoked. There is NO STATE in the union that will allow a known alcoholic nurse work while drunk. No state in the union. Tpapn will turn him into the board with no guilty concience and his license will be snatched up so fast he'll be dizzy for days...

Originally Posted by Keysnurse2008 View Post
So...do you call each other out at these meetings? Like if you know one of your group members is just saying BS to get them through the meeting. See....from your posts I could easily picture you doing that. ...seeing through everyones BS.....and calling them out on it. I think ....you guys would be way more effective for him now than me.

He got a look at his contract yesterday and he was not happy. AA meetings everyday...peer group meetings weekly....etc etc
Well, if I knew that a friend of mine in aa/na was drunk or high,, heck yes I would be trying to find out what happened and doing what I could to help them stay clean and sober. Thats what we're there for,, to give support and to recieve support. It's a 'group' effort.. no pun intended. But it takes more than one person to keep me sober.
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No. 35
from jackstem
Old Jun 27, 2009, 10:56 AM

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No, I will not get my license back. I have no desire to get it back. I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing...this IS my purpose. I know, for me, handling my drug of choice on a daily basis would be too dangerous for my safety. As the great philosopher Dirt Harry Said..."A man's (or woman) got to know his limitations." Well, I know mine when it comes to this disease.

At 12 Step meetings, the dynamics are as variable as the individuals in attendance. Generally there isn't lot of confrontation. Most times someone will say a person is in denial or full of fecal material. Most meetings aren't confrontational. That's a different story in treatment and at Caduceus meetings (recovering health care professionals). Addicted health care providers have unique challenges during treatment and recovery. We have a tendency to intellectualize everything. We think our knowledge and training provides us with an immunity. We believe we can "think our way out". WRONG! Also, I can't save anyone and I can't make someone "get" recovery. Recovering addicts "share their experience, strength, and hope." We tell others what it was like when we were using and what it's like now that we're in recovery. We share what has worked for us.

The first 90 days are probably the most crucial. This is when the brain makes it's greatest recuperation. This is the time when abstinence is critical.

I think.....if you spoke to nursing students...or people who work in high specialty areas.....you could change alot of views about this disease.
That's the primary focus of my consulting business. And you'd be surprised at the number of nurses, doctors, politicians, and everyday people who could care less about this disease and the people who have it. They rarely change their minds based on my story or anyone else's. It doesn't matter to them until it directly affects them (family or colleagues). You are a great example of this. You never really thought much about any of this until this friend started going through all of the garbage with the board of nursing and at his job. That's not a criticism, just an observation. Another observation that could be off base...if you're chasing your friend down the street while he's getting naked...he's most likely on something more than just ETOH. That's also pretty common with addiction.

There is too much information to share it all here. If you're really interested to learn more, follow those links in one of my previous posts and read, read, read.

We have a long way to go before there is a significant change in our culture's attitude regarding addiction. If nurses don't "get it", how can we expect the rest of society to get it? I figure this means job security. It also means too many nurses will have their lives ruined, lose their careers, and many will die needlessly. You can help change that by learning as much a possible and speaking out when necessary.

Jack
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No. 36
Old Jun 27, 2009, 04:02 PM

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wow....how long did it take you to get /gain this much insight into all this? And...after all you have been through.....it is amazing that you can have the patience to try and actually educate someone like me on all this. I have been a nurse for awhile and I see people coming through in DT's all the time,...some tryin to quit on their own...some because they just have no access to get more. I'd like to think I have always treated them in a kind respectful way.....and I think I have. I have never had any of them complain on me......but after this I hope I spend a little extra time making sure that someone knows where they are at.....or just talkin to them.
This cadecus (msp?) meeting....is that available in every state?Is that what they call the peer groups?

Can I ask another question? My friend was angry bc he said that the way the board deals with physicians is way more private. That their professional reputation is left untouched when they tend to be much more punitive of nurses. I didnt know if this was true or not.....but it seems like it would almost be impossible for a MD to get back into practice bc of the availabilty of drugs. Have you heard of nurses complaining that the BON is more punitive towards nurses than physicians?

And also....if you dont mind. What should we look for in collegues? I know in alcohol that missing work,calling in after you were already suppost to be at work, change in appearance, mood swings etc etc. But what about narcotic useage......are there different symptoms you look for with that? That may be a stupid question.....and it probably is. But...it just seems like difference between etoh and drugs you'd maybe see different behavoir. Like in a CRNA what do you see if they have a fentanyl problem? or a nurse with a oxycontin/lortab/percocet problem? That's ....probably a stupid question isnt it? But...I am asking bc this really kinda blindsided me with my buddy's alcohol problem.

I dont know if he was doing more than etoh......he was trashed. What was suppost to be a group of us getting together for a game/dinner and drinks after work...turned into him getting 12 coke and jacks. No one noticed until we had to pay the bill afte rhe got mad at us. One server wouldnt serve him any more so he kept going to the " bathroom" and went directly to the bar and said he was waiting to meet someone. Got like 3 or 4 there....it was bad. You know you have friends when you run out of a resturaunt and they chase you down a busy street trying to convince you the bench is not your bed and youcant "undress" and hop right into bed.
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No. 37
from Magsulfate
Old Jun 28, 2009, 04:02 PM

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Alcoholic Nurse

Irritability, mood swings
• Elaborate excuses for behavior; unkempt appearance
•Blackouts (periods of temporary amnesia)
•Impaired motor coordination, slurred speech, flushed face, bloodshot eyes
•Numerous injuries, burns, bruises, etc. with vague explanations
•Smell of alcohol on breath, or excessive use of mouthwash, mints, etc.
•Increased isolation from others

Drug Addicted Nurse

•Rapid mood and/or performance changes
•Frequent absence from unit; frequent use of restroom
•May work a lot of overtime, usually arriving early and staying late
•Increased somatic complaints necessitating more prescriptions of pain
medications
•Consistently signs out more or larger amounts of controlled drugs than
anyone else; excessive drug wasting
•Often medicates others' patients; may wear long sleeves all of the time
•Increased isolation from others
•Patients complain that pain medication is not effective or they deny receiving
medication
•Excessive discrepancies in signing and documentation procedures of
controlled substances

Mentally Ill Nurse

•Depressed, lethargic, unable to focus or concentrate, apathetic
•Makes many mistakes at work
•Erratic behavior or mood swings
•Inappropriate or bizarre behavior or speech
•May also exhibit some of the same or similar characteristics as chemically
dependent nurses

Note: It is MOST IMPORTANT to look for patterns or changes in behavior. Not all characteristics need to be present to indicate that a problem exists.
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No. 38
from Magsulfate
Old Jun 28, 2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Keysnurse2008 View Post

Can I ask another question? My friend was angry bc he said that the way the board deals with physicians is way more private. That their professional reputation is left untouched when they tend to be much more punitive of nurses. I didnt know if this was true or not.....but it seems like it would almost be impossible for a MD to get back into practice bc of the availabilty of drugs. Have you heard of nurses complaining that the BON is more punitive towards nurses than physicians?
One thing I want you to understand is, TPAPN is not punitive. It is not punishment, and this is very important for him to understand. The punishment will come if/when he does not follow TPAPN's rules and does not complete TPAPN. The peer assistance programs were formed as a non punitive,, ALTERNATIVE TO PUNISHMENT and a way for nurses to recover and return to work as a nurse.
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No. 39
from jackstem
Old Jun 29, 2009, 10:51 PM

Default Re: Did I do the right thing?
Originally Posted by Magsulfate View Post
One thing I want you to understand is, TPAPN is not punitive. It is not punishment, and this is very important for him to understand. The punishment will come if/when he does not follow TPAPN's rules and does not complete TPAPN. The peer assistance programs were formed as a non punitive,, ALTERNATIVE TO PUNISHMENT and a way for nurses to recover and return to work as a nurse.

AMEN Mag...AMEN!

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