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No. 10
from jackstem
Old Jun 24, 2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magsulfate View Post
Yeah, what he said.

lol
You are such a trip!!!! ROTFL!!

Jack
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No. 11
from jackstem
Old Jun 24, 2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Keysnurse2008 View Post
I actually just got a call. he went into a inpatient treatment program in the Houston area. His mom has the kids. Wow...thanks for the information. I dont look at it as a personal failure or a flaw. I knew there had to be some kind of chemical / genetic basis for why one person will become addicted and another not. I dont think anyone would "choose" what has happened to him. ...but ...ya know .....even in the ED .....we have never gotten alot of education on it. So....thank you
EXCELLENT!! Well Done my friend!! Well Done!!

Anytime! If I can be of any further assistance just give a shout.

Jack
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No. 12
from Magsulfate
Old Jun 25, 2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jackstem View Post
You are such a trip!!!! ROTFL!!

Jack
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No. 13
Old Jun 25, 2009, 07:34 AM

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We defecate on our colleagues with addiction more than any other group.
I'm sorry, this just didn't get enough LOVE....LOLOLOL
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No. 14
from jackstem
Old Jun 25, 2009, 08:25 AM

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I'm sorry, this just didn't get enough LOVE....LOLOLOL
I try to be as subtle as possible.

Jack
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No. 15
Old Jun 25, 2009, 03:34 PM

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EXCELLENT!! Well Done my friend!! Well Done!!

Anytime! If I can be of any further assistance just give a shout.

Jack
I read someof your responses to threads...and also some of these links you gave me. It kinda makes more sense now. I have always wondered what the attraction was for some to drugs,.I mean I dont exactly see any well educated nurse looking at a homeless crack addict , unkempt,...etc etc saying to theirselves "Gee whiz why cant I look like that?". Lol...so thank you it helped. The way you describe it....it is almost like a jigsaw puzzle brain....missing one tiny peic eof the puzzle. It functions everyday unaware their is a missing peice ....till one day it gets the missing peice temporarily ( the alcohol or drug).....and once the peice is removed.........you continue to search for it( the missing peice) so that you will be " whole" again. I mean I had never thought of it like you put it...so thanks. You think about schizophrenics and clinical depression and the whole chemical imbalance they have ........so ....it makes sense. Thank you....just heard today he is wanting to leave his program. Says he now doesnt have a problem......but the people with his state peer assistance group here in Tx have probably dealth with that before.
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No. 16
from jackstem
Old Jun 25, 2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Keysnurse2008 View Post
I read someof your responses to threads...and also some of these links you gave me. It kinda makes more sense now. I have always wondered what the attraction was for some to drugs,.I mean I dont exactly see any well educated nurse looking at a homeless crack addict , unkempt,...etc etc saying to theirselves "Gee whiz why cant I look like that?". Lol...so thank you it helped. The way you describe it....it is almost like a jigsaw puzzle brain....missing one tiny peic eof the puzzle. It functions everyday unaware their is a missing peice ....till one day it gets the missing peice temporarily ( the alcohol or drug).....and once the peice is removed.........you continue to search for it( the missing peice) so that you will be " whole" again. I mean I had never thought of it like you put it...so thanks. You think about schizophrenics and clinical depression and the whole chemical imbalance they have ........so ....it makes sense. Thank you....just heard today he is wanting to leave his program. Says he now doesnt have a problem......but the people with his state peer assistance group here in Tx have probably dealth with that before.
I'm glad the info was helpful. And yes, I guarantee you the board of nursing has heard it all before, which unfortunately makes it difficult for nurses with chemical dependence who work a solid program of recovery. Part of the symptoms of addiction includes pathological denial, emotional instability, compulsive use of their drug of choice (or others when they can't get the one the want), lying about use and other issues, especially when it comes to their drug of choice. Once the "crisis" that got them into treatment passes, their denial pops back up...stronger than ever.

It takes 18 months or more of abstinence for the brain to recuperate. This is why the treatment modality of choice is INPATIENT for 30 - 90 days (the longer the better). It provides the protection they need and assists them in learning about the disease when their brain has had time to "calm down".

As I've said in other posts and in my lectures...we do everything bass-ackwards when it comes to this disease. When discussing treatment of a chronic, progressive, potentially fatal disease...we know the earlier we recognize it and begin definitive treatment, the better the chance for remission. What do we do with addicts? Wait until they "hit bottom", and then treat them with less than optimum protocols. It's as though everyone loses their mind when it comes to this disease. It's about as unethical and unprofessional as you can get. Can you imagine treating someone with HIV/AIDS, Epilepsy, Hansen's Disease, or a sexually transmitted disease in this fashion? My goodness! There would be all sorts of protests and outrage! Justifiably so. This is exactly why I do what I do.

Jack
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No. 17
from Magsulfate
Old Jun 25, 2009, 10:23 PM

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Well, if he wants to be in denial, and he can't at this point stay in treatment, then there goes his nursing license. After that, he might as well give his kids over to CPS and start digging his own grave.

I know this sounds negative, but dang.. sometimes I am just tired. I think I had a long day . I need to go to bed now.
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No. 18
Old Jun 25, 2009, 11:17 PM
Updated Jun 25, 2009 at 11:21 PM by Keysnurse2008

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Originally Posted by jackstem View Post
I'm glad the info was helpful. And yes, I guarantee you the board of nursing has heard it all before, which unfortunately makes it difficult for nurses with chemical dependence who work a solid program of recovery. Part of the symptoms of addiction includes pathological denial, emotional instability, compulsive use of their drug of choice (or others when they can't get the one the want), lying about use and other issues, especially when it comes to their drug of choice. Once the "crisis" that got them into treatment passes, their denial pops back up...stronger than ever.

It takes 18 months or more of abstinence for the brain to recuperate. This is why the treatment modality of choice is INPATIENT for 30 - 90 days (the longer the better). It provides the protection they need and assists them in learning about the disease when their brain has had time to "calm down".

As I've said in other posts and in my lectures...we do everything bass-ackwards when it comes to this disease. When discussing treatment of a chronic, progressive, potentially fatal disease...we know the earlier we recognize it and begin definitive treatment, the better the chance for remission. What do we do with addicts? Wait until they "hit bottom", and then treat them with less than optimum protocols. It's as though everyone loses their mind when it comes to this disease. It's about as unethical and unprofessional as you can get. Can you imagine treating someone with HIV/AIDS, Epilepsy, Hansen's Disease, or a sexually transmitted disease in this fashion? My goodness! There would be all sorts of protests and outrage! Justifiably so. This is exactly why I do what I do.

Jack
So...it sounds like he is doing exactly what alot of people do. Admit when caught- then deny later. Ok?...when does it get to the point where they take responsibility? He told his mom today that he would just move back home to his hometown in a different state and work there as a nurse. Can you do that? I thought if one liscense was in trouble( potential) then they are all linked and all in trouble. Arent they? He is like ready to get the he** outta dodge. I dont quite know what to think about it...kinda makes me think I got suckered into thinking he was serious about getting help. I am hoping he is just in shock though.
You are very informative....the way you guys explain things it kinda makes sense. Like now I understand why they told him if he signed their forms then his ability to give scheduled drugs would be taken away. So...I know he said they'd randomly test for alcohol...but what about other drugs. In theED we do a blood ETOH level.....so are they now going to assume he will change to a different drug and do random drug screens in addition to blood alcohol levels?
Ok...so what if he moves and doesnt sign the stuff. I mean can you do that? His mom is acting like they are mistreating her little boy and I keep telling her to just let him work this out on his own. Wow...up to 90 days inpatient? That sucks. But...if that is what it takes then thats what it takes. So...what happens during the 90 days? Is his liscense in limbo, suspended, revoked? And what about at the end of the 30-90 days inpatient...then what? Does he automatically start back working..or is there some follow up stuff he has to do?
You know...they should make you , or others likeyou ,...who have such a wealth of insight and information go to every nursing school and inservice nursing students ....and at least every 3 years after that . To reiterate the information...bc ....I honestly have never had anyone explain things like you guys. I always have looked at alcohol and drug users as a personal failure. Dont be mad....let me explain! I did. I always thought it was a personal character flaw. I did. Until...it happened to my buddy. Then...I knew something was missing in my knowledge base...bc this guy is not just a good nurse...but a stand up guy. He has given families money for cab fare home when they get discharged and dont have any money. He has left on lunch break and got food for patients kids when he knew they had no money. He is a great guy. So this didnt make sense...because I dont see any character flaws in him. So there went my whole " idea" out the window. It is different when you know someone that is going through this. He would not have chosen this. He just wouldnt have..it isnt him. So there went my whole hypothesis on alcohol and chemical dependants out the window because it was based on basically ...ignorance on my part...because no one had truly broke it down like you guys have.
That...makes me sound stupid doesnt it? yep...I bet it does.
Ok..final question.....when I talk to him should I completly avoid discussing anything about his program?Or ask about it? Becasue it is kind alike ignoring the elephant in the room if I dont ask anything.....
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No. 19
Old Jun 25, 2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Magsulfate View Post
Well, if he wants to be in denial, and he can't at this point stay in treatment, then there goes his nursing license. After that, he might as well give his kids over to CPS and start digging his own grave.

I know this sounds negative, but dang.. sometimes I am just tired. I think I had a long day . I need to go to bed now.
Thats ok...its kinda like how I felt about the situation too. I was like " dude...they are trying to help"...but his mom thinks they are persecuting her litttle boy. So...I dont know how all this will work out. I really dont know what to say to him. Do I say - Hey get a grip...they are trying to help you"...or do I just aoid the whole topic of where he is at and what brought him there?"

And thanks...for talking the time to respond and answer questions. because no one has ever broken things downlike you guys have.
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