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| No. 20 |
Apr 05, 2009, 04:20 PM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation? Originally Posted by foraneman Again, this pertains ONLY to BILLING for YOUR services to a federal health care program. This has NOTHING to do with employment and NOTHING to do with any federal program hiring or employing an individual who is excluded from OIG. As a civilian house manager, you CANNOT bill a federal health program for your services...they are NOT covered. You are not a health service provider. Thus, no employer can bill for your services. have you ever heard of a civilian recovery house manager applying for a medicare/medicaid provider number????? I am sorry if you have received a wide range of opinions regarding this, but all I can say is that I have no doubt that the information I am giving you is 100% correct. The VA attorney obviously has no understanding of OIG exclusions, or the law pertaining to them. I do. It is part of my job.
I totally disagree with this information and know 100% that this is NOT correct!! I am on this list and have done extensive research into it and all that is involves.
I cannot work in ANY capacity for ANY facility that receives medicare reimbursement. I was not aware that this also involves other federal funding, including the VA system.
ANY capacity includes housekeeper, medical records, unit clerk, etc... in any facility that accepts federal funding. http://www.oig.hhs.gov/fraud/alerts/..._exclusion.asp
below is from the above link
"The prohibition against Federal program payment for items or services furnished by excluded individuals or entities also extends to payment for administrative and management services not directly related to patient care, but that are a necessary component of providing items and services to Federal program beneficiaries. This prohibition continues to apply to an individual even if he or she changes from one health care profession to another while excluded. 3 In addition, no Federal program payment may be made to cover an excluded individual's salary, expenses or fringe benefits, regardless of whether they provide direct patient care." | | Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 21 |
Apr 06, 2009, 04:46 PM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation?
make calls, emails, certified letters. Document everything. keep records of all attempts. I have been fighting to keep my license for 2 years after charges from an old boss (wrong place, wrong time). I have begged for assessment and drug testing for 2 years now, and have been refused, even by the BON! After $40,000 in lawyer fees, I settled with the BON, just to end it all. After 30 days off, I am going back to work this week. It can be very frustrating to try to work with BON. They don't respond to calls, email, or certified mail. I gave up on the monitor, and finally sent certified letters to the BON members. Things got moving pretty fast after that! My next step will be my state representatives. Long story. Sometime I will write it all down.
| | No. 23 |
Apr 06, 2009, 09:06 PM
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Apr 06, 2009 at 09:18 PM by wed-a-lot
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation?
Doing it all right now, not fun. Went to the board requested permission to get reinstated. They sent me to our peer nursing group, and now I get to jump through a lot of hoops. Must have a lot of time and money to get through it all. Good Luck | | No. 24 |
Apr 08, 2009, 08:53 PM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation? Originally Posted by lllllsllk36 Getting your license back after suspension is no picnic either. I have been fighting with the BON since the Spring of 2007 against allegations made by a former employer. It was a diversion charge. It was in a setting where I was the DON and allegedly, a tenant said some of her pills were missing. It occured shortly after I caught two of the "higher ups" in a sexually inappropriate situation. Irronically, in their depositions, both admitted to an affair, but said that what I alleged, didn't happen the way I said it did. When the male parties wife asked about the allegations made against me (she was the DON at the attached facility), she wouldn't hear anything about anything. To this day, I have been courtious enough to not let her know about the affair, which she claimed in her deposition never happened and doesn't believe it. I begged the investigator for the BON to have me drug tested, anything. He told me repeatedly "it's not necessary" or "no, we will tell you when or if we want that done." Since our BON only accepts drug testing from "their" place, I had no other recourse but to hire a very expensinve attorney and demand a hearing. The prosecutor for the BON had a not so pleasant history with one of my parents, but did not recuse himself, instead, wanted to make an example of me, adding charge after charge that he could think of. We were able to disprove all of the charges except the diversion, since there was no drug test to prove it didn't happen, because the BON wouldn't allow me to be tested. Also, the only evidence they had were depositions from people who admit they never saw it occur and have no idea what was or was not taken. To this day, noone has been able to give me a number of pills taken. My order actually says "several", because they can't even find a number. After many negotiations, and nearly $40,000 in lawyer fees, I agreed to a stipulation in which I denied the allegations, but would abide by a 30 day suspension and "play their games" for 1-5 years. Then the real problems started. The monitor refused to respond to my phone calls and certified letters. She finally responded when I got my DON and HR director involved. (Plus, I sent the top 3 BON members certified letters which included all of the correspondence I had with the monitor. On the 31st day, she responded to my DON and finally I was able to get the number of Firstlab to set up and account. For some reason, their system would not accept my account for 3 days. The lady at firstlab was very helpful and appologetic and with her effort and the IT department, were finally able to get me set up. The monitor said I could return to work as soon as this occured, but then found out she was on vacation for the next 5 days, and I again had to wait. When she returned from vacation, she then decided that I couldn't go back until I did a hair drug test, which I agreed to immediately. Now, this is on hold, because I still haven't received the chain of custody forms from firstlab. Thank goodness I have a proactive and supportive DON who has been emailing and/or calling the state daily to try to push this along. She believed in me so much, she actually took a day off of work and drove down to the state capital to testify on my behalf at my hearing. What I have learned from all of this is 1) think twice about being "nice" and trusting of people. I should have told my former boss' wife what I saw and filed sexual harassment charges. But, I didn't. 2) the BON does NOT work for nurses. They will find any road block possible to put in your way. Irronically, the ALJ who presided over my hearing, has been removed. The prosecutor has been moved out of the health area of the DRL, and the BON no long is able to hold their own hearings. They are now only held by the Dept of Justice. I wonder why that is? So, there is my frustrating past 2 years in a nutshell. Any suggestions?
Dang. I'm sorry.
That's all I can say. Really. I am sorry this happened to you.
This sucks, bad!
| | No. 25 |
Apr 08, 2009, 08:59 PM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation?
Getting your license back after suspension is no picnic either. I have been fighting with the BON since the Spring of 2007 against allegations made by a former employer. It was a diversion charge. It was in a setting where I was the DON and allegedly, a tenant said some of her pills were missing. It occured shortly after I caught two of the "higher ups" in a sexually inappropriate situation. Irronically, in their depositions, both admitted to an affair, but said that what I alleged, didn't happen the way I said it did. When the male parties wife asked about the allegations made against me (she was the DON at the attached facility), she wouldn't hear anything about anything. To this day, I have been courtious enough to not let her know about the affair, which she claimed in her deposition never happened and doesn't believe it. I begged the investigator for the BON to have me drug tested, anything. He told me repeatedly "it's not necessary" or "no, we will tell you when or if we want that done." Since our BON only accepts drug testing from "their" place, I had no other recourse but to hire a very expensinve attorney and demand a hearing. The prosecutor for the BON had a not so pleasant history with one of my parents, but did not recuse himself, instead, wanted to make an example of me, adding charge after charge that he could think of. We were able to disprove all of the charges except the diversion, since there was no drug test to prove it didn't happen, because the BON wouldn't allow me to be tested. Also, the only evidence they had were depositions from people who admit they never saw it occur and have no idea what was or was not taken. To this day, noone has been able to give me a number of pills taken. My order actually says "several", because they can't even find a number. After many negotiations, and nearly $40,000 in lawyer fees, I agreed to a stipulation in which I denied the allegations, but would abide by a 30 day suspension and "play their games" for 1-5 years. Then the real problems started. The monitor refused to respond to my phone calls and certified letters. She finally responded when I got my DON and HR director involved. (Plus, I sent the top 3 BON members certified letters which included all of the correspondence I had with the monitor. On the 31st day, she responded to my DON and finally I was able to get the number of Firstlab to set up and account. For some reason, their system would not accept my account for 3 days. The lady at firstlab was very helpful and appologetic and with her effort and the IT department, were finally able to get me set up. The monitor said I could return to work as soon as this occured, but then found out she was on vacation for the next 5 days, and I again had to wait. When she returned from vacation, she then decided that I couldn't go back until I did a hair drug test, which I agreed to immediately. Now, this is on hold, because I still haven't received the chain of custody forms from firstlab. Thank goodness I have a proactive and supportive DON who has been emailing and/or calling the state daily to try to push this along. She believed in me so much, she actually took a day off of work and drove down to the state capital to testify on my behalf at my hearing. What I have learned from all of this is 1) think twice about being "nice" and trusting of people. I should have told my former boss' wife what I saw and filed sexual harassment charges. But, I didn't. 2) the BON does NOT work for nurses. They will find any road block possible to put in your way. Irronically, the ALJ who presided over my hearing, has been removed. The prosecutor has been moved out of the health area of the DRL, and the BON no long is able to hold their own hearings. They are now only held by the Dept of Justice. I wonder why that is? So, there is my frustrating past 2 years in a nutshell. Any suggestions?
| | No. 26 |
Apr 11, 2009, 11:33 AM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation?
wow, that sounds like one big convulated mess. Thankyou for sharing your story because it just minmized my problems. My suggestions is to remain being compliant with the monitoring dept. as they hold your "life" in their hands. Remain true to yourself. If you didnt divert the pills then remain true to that. If you know in your heart you are a good nurse remain true to that, all the other drama will dissolve itself.
| | No. 27 |
May 09, 2009, 10:28 AM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation?
does any one know the address of the oig office in ma. and what forms i have to fillout so my exclusion can be lifted. any info will be greatly appreciated. i have my rn license in ct ma and ny. thanks beverly also post19 was helpful
| | No. 28 |
May 10, 2009, 12:03 AM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation?
my BON in Az. gave me OIG website: http://oig.hhs.gov where i went to request the necessary reinstatement forms be sent to me. it is an approx. 8 page document that must be filled out by you, notarized and mailed back to them. total time it took me to hear back from them was apprx. 2 weeks. the form is realitively easy to fill out but a little stressful of course, as it is necesssary to get off this exclusion list to move foward ( get a job). i got reinstated with the OIG, now up against the fingerprinting board and slowly moving throught that process. never knew i would be going through so much to go back to work as a nurse. God has definately blessed me that I have gotten this far, one day at a time. Hope this helps and good luck, I know you can do it, because i did it-proof that you too can get reinstated.
| | No. 29 |
May 10, 2009, 09:23 AM
Re: anyone ever get their license back after revocation?
post 28 thanks for the info and good luck in your endeavors..... beverly
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