Who is to blame for the CA BON mess and a solution? - page 3

Hi, to all my fellow kabayans out there! I have been following these topics for almost a year now and so saddened by the current state of affairs that has been troubling all of us in dealing with the... Read More

  1. Visit  Adlrio profile page
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    Hi! Can anybody tell me where can I take this med surg and OB being required from CA BON to get the eligibility.i know they have the lists of accredited schools but non of them are accepting students who are there to take those two requirements, they said you have to enroll to their school by completing the whole program(from start to BSN) . I'm so disappointed by being denied now I can't even find a school to take the subjects. Pls help
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  3. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Quote from Adlrio
    Hi! Can anybody tell me where can I take this med surg and OB being required from CA BON to get the eligibility.i know they have the lists of accredited schools but non of them are accepting students who are there to take those two requirements, they said you have to enroll to their school by completing the whole program(from start to BSN) . I'm so disappointed by being denied now I can't even find a school to take the subjects. Pls help
    Yep, welcome to "don't bother to apply into CA" club for awhile.

    There are a handful of local CA colleges that might offer the deficient courses, but it's very limited, like 1-2 spots, you're competiting with 1,000's of other international students from not just PH. You have to pass various test exams and offered once a year admission, maybe twice, not sure. You can read the various threads here for the schools.

    Even if you get in, it's about 18-24 months to complete them.

    Your other options are to apply out of state or become an LVN in CA, then try to get to be an RN, but understand that to get into those programs (LVN to RN) they are waiting list from 2-3 years or longer and no guarantee you're eligible to get accepted.

    Say "thank you" to our CHED, PRC and PNA.
  4. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Quote from Adlrio
    Hi! Can anybody tell me where can I take this med surg and OB being required from CA BON to get the eligibility.i know they have the lists of accredited schools but non of them are accepting students who are there to take those two requirements, they said you have to enroll to their school by completing the whole program(from start to BSN) . I'm so disappointed by being denied now I can't even find a school to take the subjects. Pls help
    Yes, there are two possible schools/colleges as of this recent time and has been in a brief discussions in another thread, you can read more in details there.

    The two schools are National University and Mount St. Mary College, both are in the So Cal areas. Be aware one has a waiting list and one does not, but both are in the $7,000 tuition range, add another $1,000 or so for the books and supplies. The cost must be paid in full prior to attending the first class.

    You will need to pass a variety of exams and have some written references about yourself.
  5. Visit  mikimoto profile page
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    Quote from geegeebaby82

     
    So who is to BLAME?

    -- Our own colleges and universities? YES, a definite yes! I have a very good and reliable source from one of our batchmate's relative/father who is very well associated to the CHED. They (CHED) have always known of these same minimum CA BON requirements for many years. But they have always thought that why fix our own country's nursing management and philisophies if it's not broken and we're not obligated to our Phils to move on to the US, even though, it's understood there's a very high percentage will be leaving Phils and mostly to CA, but that's their problem, not ours. Well, it is now! It's now insane to attend a Phils college if anyone today wants to get a nursing job in CA.

    They never imagined that one day the CA BON would clamp down on their requirements. It was always preached to them (not from the US side, but from so many of the members of the CHED) that with the nursing shortages in CA and all over the States, they could keep teaching new nurses to meet the growing demand in the States. However, it's been a real problem in the States since 2009, but CHED didn't want to believe that or did believe it but wanted to keep the process going and why alert the students already enrolled and wanting to enroll, maybe the problem will be washed away.

    -- Ourselves? YES and no. We should have known that even though, many of the Phils are accredited and some are even ISO-certified, but it means nothing to the outside of the walls of the Phils borders. Yes, it's true that we are just poor students studying hard every day and night, having so much stress and worries for 4 years, finding ways to pay for our education, our families making the tough sacrifices both emotionally and financially, giving up many good times that our other non-nursing friends enjoyed, but figured it will be worth the long sacrifices once we get a job in the States.

    YOU chose to believe that YOUR decision to get educated in the Philippines will eventually land you a job in the USA. Like I mentioned on another thread,

    Doesn't CHED in the Phils. stand for
    Commission on Higher Education?
    PRC- Philippine Regulations Commission?
    PNA- Philippine Nurse's Association?

    These are entities IN the Philippines FOR Filipinos. No one forced you to study in the Philippines. Why are you expecting these entities to meet US standards of education or NCLEX requirements? They are doing their respective tasks serving the interest of Filipinos in the Philippines. Lucky for you if they extend any sort of help to land you a job in your chosen foreign country, but this is not their reason for existence. Even if Nursing schools in the Phils were to lose their US BRN accreditation, the fact still remains that their graduates are qualified to become Philippine RNs. This is the essence of the Nursing schools in the Philippines, CHED and PRC. They are not to bend over to what their graduates want to use the education for other than getting the credits towards becoming a Philippine RN.
    If it was in your interest to work abroad and YOU chose to get educated in the Philippines, isn't it YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to check if YOUR chosen school meets the qualifications of the foreign country you want to work at?
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  6. Visit  mikimoto profile page
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    Quote from proudpinay
    was not good enough in California standard,for they have their own rules for those applying NCLEX-RN which was recently implemented....and not getting eligibility simply because of the concurrency of theory and clinical cases.....but does not mean our education is less than others....

    You have a point.
    US graduates are not even required to have the 25 clinical cases.
    Like you said, the fact still remains. If one wants to be licensed in CA, he has to comply with the requirements.
  7. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Quote from mikimoto
    YOU chose to believe that YOUR decision to get educated in the Philippines will eventually land you a job in the USA. Like I mentioned on another thread,

    Doesn't CHED in the Phils. stand for
    Commission on Higher Education?
    PRC- Philippine Regulations Commission?
    PNA- Philippine Nurse's Association?

    These are entities IN the Philippines FOR Filipinos. No one forced you to study in the Philippines. Why are you expecting these entities to meet US standards of education or NCLEX requirements? They are doing their respective tasks serving the interest of Filipinos in the Philippines. Lucky for you if they extend any sort of help to land you a job in your chosen foreign country, but this is not their reason for existence. Even if Nursing schools in the Phils were to lose their US BRN accreditation, the fact still remains that their graduates are qualified to become Philippine RNs. This is the essence of the Nursing schools in the Philippines, CHED and PRC. They are not to bend over to what their graduates want to use the education for other than getting the credits towards becoming a Philippine RN.
    If it was in your interest to work abroad and YOU chose to get educated in the Philippines, isn't it YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to check if YOUR chosen school meets the qualifications of the foreign country you want to work at?
    Well, if you're not of dual citizenship, then, there's not much choice but to go to school in the Phils.

    The PH schools and colleges all tell us they are in full regulations with the States, never had any problems in the past at all, all of their approved schools are ISO certified, are able to meet any States requirements, etc.

    Can you tell me or others what other methods or ways do we have to make sure what these agencies that are suppose to be the ones that's in full charge of these matters?

    What would you do to ensure that what these agencies and colleges are telling us the truth?

    Yes, it's true that the agencies are to serve the interest of the Filipinos in the Phils as you stated, but at the same time, it's a known fact (from the CHED themselves) that 33% of all PH grads will want to go or come back in CA alone, then, let's say another smaller 17% of us PH grads wants to spread out into 35 other States (due to family, marriage, whatever), that's 50%, that's why the agencies needs to pay attention to what the State's BON requirements are.

    I think since the one main issue is the concurrency issue or ruling in CA is over 25 years old, maybe CHED complied with them years ago, but it seems like either those were relaxed in the Phils or may be in fact, was never in compliance. There's another posting of someone's denial letter from NV, it says on the letter, the concurrency was there since 1952! Probably the age of some of our parents!

    There was mention of someone stating that the CHED, PRC and PNA came to speak with CA BON about these matters months ago, but not sure, if that was just all talk or really happened. Someone else mentioned her father was going to write to the local Congressman in CA, but again, the poster never came back to get us the results of that, but know that this is not going to happen overnight.

    Again, if you could tell me or others how we could have been MORE RESPONSIBLE, I think we really appreciate it and maybe we can direct the CHED, PRC and PNA (and yes, you got all the agencies name correct) to a more resolvable solution for the future grads (or maybe to us stuck in the middle).
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  8. Visit  mikimoto profile page
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    "Well, if you're not of dual citizenship, then, there's not much choice but to go to school in the Phils."

    -Not much choice- That is YOUR personal opinion. If you have legal presence here in the USA even if you're not a USC and is diligent enough in exploring your options, you will get exposed to a myriad of options. You CHOSE not to explore these options. I'm not saying that it's a poor decision. I'm just saying that it's YOUR decision.



    You said that "The PH schools and colleges all tell us they are in full regulations with the States, never had any problems in the past at all, all of their approved schools are ISO certified, are able to meet any States requirements, etc.", " What would you do to ensure that what these agencies and colleges are telling us the truth?"

    -Hija, did you attend ALL the Nursing schools in the Philippines, did you join all the sections/blocks per subject of all these schools? How can you generalize and say that? You can only speak for YOUR own personal experience, but you can't speak for others. .



    I got my BSN in the Philippines & my Master's here in the US. I appreciate my education, all my schools, my teachers and preceptors. I was NEVER told by anyone from my Philippine school that they educate for foreign land dream purposes. Some may have had small talks (in passing) discussing immigration dreams or pathways, but NO ONE told nor guarantee me that the Philippine schools were created to produce graduates to be USRN's. Does your school have a tv ad, poster, whatsoever stating that they can give you US education and that ALL graduates will INFINITELY meet US standards? If so, which school did you come from so that others may be enlightened about this?


    Did you personally read your school's WRITTEN course curriculum and paralleled it against the US standards? Did you personally ask your Dean or counselor if their curriculum will land you a seat for the NCLEX-RN? Or did you just listen and chose to believe the trivial talks about how to become a USRN with Philippine education?

    Do you understand what the ISO is for?



    "Yes, it's true that the agencies are to serve the interest of the Filipinos in the Phils as you stated, but at the same time, it's a known fact (from the CHED themselves) that 33% of all PH grads will want to go or come back in CA alone, then, let's say another smaller 17% of us PH grads wants to spread out into 35 other States (due to family, marriage, whatever), that's 50%, that's why the agencies needs to pay attention to what the State's BON requirements are."

    -Given that this is accurate, they may know this TREND, but we could all just hope that the CHED caters to this trend - which will help some Philippine graduates. There's a greater percentage of the population that they have to serve. Again, what is primary the purpose of Philippine education and the CHED? Is it to assist you in realizing your US dream?

    Yes, the Philippine schools, PRC, CHED are in charge. In-charge of the PHILIPPINE education, that is.

    Everyone, please read this: P H I L I P P I N E E D U CA T I O N.

    What can't you understand about this?"



    The PRC, CHED as well as the Philippine schools did their primary reason for existence by educating you and making you eligible to become a Philippine RN.

    YOUR aspiration to work as an RN outside of the Philippines is outside of their scope.
    They can assist you out of courtesy. Do you recognize the difference?


    YOU chose to believe what YOU THOUGHT SHOULD happen.

    Take responsibility.



    On the question how can you be more responsible about all these NCLEX, Phil Education, concurrency issues? It doesn't really take much.

    1. stop listening to gossips, seek for ACCURATE information

    2. act and THINK like an adult


    Last edit by mikimoto on Oct 4, '12
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  9. Visit  proudpinay profile page
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    Very well said mikimoto!!!...
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    Proudpinay, I like that wink. I should learn how these smileys, winks work. haha.

    I just had to correct:
    "but NO ONE told nor guarantee me"
    nor gave me a guarantee
    There's more, but I can't remember which. My eyes stop working after 1 hour of computer use. Haha
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    Quote from juan de la cruz
    Nursel, I am just so amazed at how these young folks talk in these forums (I can say young, cause I consider myself old...lol). Part of it is cultural. Filipinos continue to look at the United States as the land of opportunity. Frankly, I've been here since 1995 and while I'm now a proud American, the road was just as bumpy for me. Believe me, nothing came easy for me at first. I played by the books, I did what I had to do and never took short cuts in getting to where I am now. I just think it's the naivete and overall whiny-ness the young people today have and it doesn't matter what country they're from. This is reality...life sucks sometimes. I feel really bad though, everything's changed. My spouse is American (born and raised) whose parents never went to college but built their own home, and had a great life...new cars every five years, happy kids. You can't say that will be the same future for people with college degrees up the wazoo these days!
    I agree.
    I, on my part, am dismayed by the sense of entitlement.
    I think you hit it right on the spot - "I just think it's the naivete and overall whiny-ness the young people today have and it doesn't matter what country they're from. "
    Add the word stubborn and you win the lotto! Hahaha
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    Quote from mikimoto
    I agree.
    I, on my part, am dismayed by the sense of entitlement.
    I think you hit it right on the spot - "I just think it's the naivete and overall whiny-ness the young people today have and it doesn't matter what country they're from. "
    Add the word stubborn and you win the lotto! Hahaha
    Families/relatives encouraged the kids to go back to Pinas to finish nursing education in high hopes that just like there folks would have a shot at the NCLEX and become USRN. Now because what's transpired they lash out on the other folks that are now RN's.

    Personally, I'm upset by these developments by CABON but I also wish the older folks would not lump us younger folks into being generalized as having a sense of entitlement or whiny-ness.
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    Quote from RhanSantiago84
    Families/relatives encouraged the kids to go back to Pinas to finish nursing education in high hopes that just like there folks would have a shot at the NCLEX and become USRN. Now because what's transpired they lash out on the other folks that are now RN's.

    Personally, I'm upset by these developments by CABON but I also wish the older folks would not lump us younger folks into being generalized as having a sense of entitlement or whiny-ness.
    I actually don't blame the older folks for making generalizations about "younger" folks. Most of the time, although uncalled for, their statements are fairly accurate.

    Newer generations have it a lot easier in terms of access to information. Anything we want/need to learn can be found instantly on the internet. Previous generations actually had to open a book and dig through those books to gather info.

    What ultimately creates this "sense of entitlement" is instant gratification that technology has allowed us to have at our fingertips. This is not strictly Western or American in essence but more of a generational thing.
  14. Visit  wishiwereanurse profile page
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    My 2 cents, someone should sue CA BON for misleading foreign applicants into thinking they have met the requirements for licensure by submitting what's on the initial application. Only a bunch of crooks take money from foreigners pulling off something like that. Look at other states' requirements, there is no BS, it clearly states what requirements they want like IELTS or TOEFL or Visa screen. Funny how they emphasize concurrency when their graduates never even stepped into the operating room (So no comcurrent rotation into the OR when they're having Perioperative Nursing in class?? or concurrent rotation into the delivery room when they're having Maternal&Child Nursing?) Not true really? here's a post: http://allnurses.com/operating-room-...348-page4.html Even a mom who thought nutella was nutritious and believed she was mislead won the lawsuit.


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