Who is to blame for the CA BON mess and a solution? - page 3
by geegeebaby82, MSN, RN, NP | 14,312 Views | 44 Comments
Hi, to all my fellow kabayans out there! I have been following these topics for almost a year now and so saddened by the current state of affairs that has been troubling all of us in dealing with the issues with the CA BON. I... Read More
- 1Mar 11, '12 by juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP GuideQuote from nursel56Nursel, I am just so amazed at how these young folks talk in these forums (I can say young, cause I consider myself old...lol). Part of it is cultural. Filipinos continue to look at the United States as the land of opportunity. Frankly, I've been here since 1995 and while I'm now a proud American, the road was just as bumpy for me. Believe me, nothing came easy for me at first. I played by the books, I did what I had to do and never took short cuts in getting to where I am now. I just think it's the naivete and overall whiny-ness the young people today have and it doesn't matter what country they're from. This is reality...life sucks sometimes. I feel really bad though, everything's changed. My spouse is American (born and raised) whose parents never went to college but built their own home, and had a great life...new cars every five years, happy kids. You can't say that will be the same future for people with college degrees up the wazoo these days!I totally understand how frustrating it must be to have your expectations dashed when the CABON tightened up some of the implementation of rules that have been on the books for a long time. It must be very hard to have your friend or relative allowed to take the NCLEX-RN at some time before our current nursing employment crisis with the same background and qualifications you have. It is natural to be upset and disappointed. Welcome to the new world of almost everyone upset and disappointed because of these new realities.
You could have a letter of recommendation from George Washington himself and be a citizen - and facing an impending crisis in your family because you believed you would have a job upon graduation and Uncle Sam is still going to want those loans paid back. Hang out on this forum for a few weeks and find out for yourself what we are going through before displaying an attitude about what you should have "the right to do" in California, or who's job you feel entitled to.
Thank you for saying that. I agree. I am thankful and grateful every day to live and work here, and I'm a 4th generation California girl. I'm struggling with my own job issues, too. None of us are immune.
The lifelong education principle and the humility re: "dirty" vs "clean" nursing tasks know no borders, either. I'm also grateful for the explosion of paths and access to further educaiton we can tap into anytime we want to.
- 0Mar 11, '12 by nursel56 GuideJuan you are awesome. And that's what I told everyone in the Guide Hangout a few weeks ago. If that embarrasses you I'm not sorry. .
edit to add: You've really taught me quite a bit about the culture of the Phillipines that would be sort of a "between the lines" understanding that only someone who lived in it could properly explain. Well, I will admit to cultural insensitivity when it comes to balut.
It's clear you aren't advocating for or against anything - you are a conduit of information.Last edit by nursel56 on Mar 11, '12
- 0Jul 23, '12 by steppybayQuote from nihaojailanWow, in reading this back, I think you're the ONLY grad from PH that not only got thru the CA BON system but also a recent CA job, very well done! Congrats to you!I applied 2011 & got my ATT, took the whole May and 1st half of June to study and passed the boards the first time. It's sad that things have to be like this in an attempt to desaturate nursing graduates in California. My cousins and a bunch of friends are now working as an LVN but still wishing to be an RN which in turn makes me respect and help out my cnas and lvns during the shift, i know there's always a chance hurting their pride & i hope everything gets better for everyone here
- 0Aug 10, '12 by AdlrioHi! Can anybody tell me where can I take this med surg and OB being required from CA BON to get the eligibility.i know they have the lists of accredited schools but non of them are accepting students who are there to take those two requirements, they said you have to enroll to their school by completing the whole program(from start to BSN) . I'm so disappointed by being denied now I can't even find a school to take the subjects. Pls help
- 0Aug 10, '12 by steppybayQuote from AdlrioYep, welcome to "don't bother to apply into CA" club for awhile.Hi! Can anybody tell me where can I take this med surg and OB being required from CA BON to get the eligibility.i know they have the lists of accredited schools but non of them are accepting students who are there to take those two requirements, they said you have to enroll to their school by completing the whole program(from start to BSN) . I'm so disappointed by being denied now I can't even find a school to take the subjects. Pls help
There are a handful of local CA colleges that might offer the deficient courses, but it's very limited, like 1-2 spots, you're competiting with 1,000's of other international students from not just PH. You have to pass various test exams and offered once a year admission, maybe twice, not sure. You can read the various threads here for the schools.
Even if you get in, it's about 18-24 months to complete them.
Your other options are to apply out of state or become an LVN in CA, then try to get to be an RN, but understand that to get into those programs (LVN to RN) they are waiting list from 2-3 years or longer and no guarantee you're eligible to get accepted.
Say "thank you" to our CHED, PRC and PNA.
- 0Sep 8, '12 by steppybayQuote from AdlrioYes, there are two possible schools/colleges as of this recent time and has been in a brief discussions in another thread, you can read more in details there.Hi! Can anybody tell me where can I take this med surg and OB being required from CA BON to get the eligibility.i know they have the lists of accredited schools but non of them are accepting students who are there to take those two requirements, they said you have to enroll to their school by completing the whole program(from start to BSN) . I'm so disappointed by being denied now I can't even find a school to take the subjects. Pls help
The two schools are National University and Mount St. Mary College, both are in the So Cal areas. Be aware one has a waiting list and one does not, but both are in the $7,000 tuition range, add another $1,000 or so for the books and supplies. The cost must be paid in full prior to attending the first class.
You will need to pass a variety of exams and have some written references about yourself.
- 1Oct 2, '12 by mikimotoQuote from geegeebaby82YOU chose to believe that YOUR decision to get educated in the Philippines will eventually land you a job in the USA. Like I mentioned on another thread,
So who is to BLAME?
-- Our own colleges and universities? YES, a definite yes! I have a very good and reliable source from one of our batchmate's relative/father who is very well associated to the CHED. They (CHED) have always known of these same minimum CA BON requirements for many years. But they have always thought that why fix our own country's nursing management and philisophies if it's not broken and we're not obligated to our Phils to move on to the US, even though, it's understood there's a very high percentage will be leaving Phils and mostly to CA, but that's their problem, not ours. Well, it is now! It's now insane to attend a Phils college if anyone today wants to get a nursing job in CA.
They never imagined that one day the CA BON would clamp down on their requirements. It was always preached to them (not from the US side, but from so many of the members of the CHED) that with the nursing shortages in CA and all over the States, they could keep teaching new nurses to meet the growing demand in the States. However, it's been a real problem in the States since 2009, but CHED didn't want to believe that or did believe it but wanted to keep the process going and why alert the students already enrolled and wanting to enroll, maybe the problem will be washed away.
-- Ourselves? YES and no. We should have known that even though, many of the Phils are accredited and some are even ISO-certified, but it means nothing to the outside of the walls of the Phils borders. Yes, it's true that we are just poor students studying hard every day and night, having so much stress and worries for 4 years, finding ways to pay for our education, our families making the tough sacrifices both emotionally and financially, giving up many good times that our other non-nursing friends enjoyed, but figured it will be worth the long sacrifices once we get a job in the States.
Doesn't CHED in the Phils. stand for
Commission on Higher Education?
PRC- Philippine Regulations Commission?
PNA- Philippine Nurse's Association?
These are entities IN the Philippines FOR Filipinos. No one forced you to study in the Philippines. Why are you expecting these entities to meet US standards of education or NCLEX requirements? They are doing their respective tasks serving the interest of Filipinos in the Philippines. Lucky for you if they extend any sort of help to land you a job in your chosen foreign country, but this is not their reason for existence. Even if Nursing schools in the Phils were to lose their US BRN accreditation, the fact still remains that their graduates are qualified to become Philippine RNs. This is the essence of the Nursing schools in the Philippines, CHED and PRC. They are not to bend over to what their graduates want to use the education for other than getting the credits towards becoming a Philippine RN.
If it was in your interest to work abroad and YOU chose to get educated in the Philippines, isn't it YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to check if YOUR chosen school meets the qualifications of the foreign country you want to work at?