Who is to blame for the CA BON mess and a solution? - page 2

by geegeebaby82

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Hi, to all my fellow kabayans out there! I have been following these topics for almost a year now and so saddened by the current state of affairs that has been troubling all of us in dealing with the issues with the CA BON. I... Read More


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    Quote from geegeebaby82
    @Kayakoto....yes, at the end of the day, a nurse is a nurse. But for me and my other batchmates, we didn't spend four years of our lives to eventfully become a LVN.
    You know, jobs are very tight here for LVNs, too. In fact, it's almost impossible for a new grad LVN to get a job. I share both their disappointment and their pride of accomplishment. With so many people here with this attitude I say please don't torture yourselves any further. There must be someplace you can go that won't cause you to feel so demeaned. I have had my license in CA for almost 40 years and having a tough time of it job-market wise. Frankly I am sick of this argument. I only wish our state had a unified BON like other states have. The sense of entitlement is mind-boggling.

    Doing all the "crap" work (not just the dirty stuff) is okay, it's part of their job and yes, RN's have to do so in a pinch, it's like being a maid (not my words, but what they tell me). What's real hard is when it's a young new grad RN giving out the instructions and thinking that should be me doing that job. It's a matter of pride, sorry, just hard to accept after almost a year as a LVN. So yes, I do share her (their) sentiments and feelings.
    Words fail. And that very rarely happens, believe me. If I heard that from any nurse from anywhere it would be just as offensive. This just makes it all the more so. Exactly why should it be you doing that job that new grad RN is doing?

    Although I now appreciate the many, wonderful RNs and LVNs so much more than I did. The opposite of pride is shame. I'd rather not have anyone inflict an attitude like that on anyone including the housekeeping staff. If you and your friends think an LVN job is like a maid, I guess I'd rather not know what you think about the people who mop the floors and empty the trash.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Mar 9, '12
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    I applied 2011 & got my ATT, took the whole May and 1st half of June to study and passed the boards the first time. It's sad that things have to be like this in an attempt to desaturate nursing graduates in California. My cousins and a bunch of friends are now working as an LVN but still wishing to be an RN which in turn makes me respect and help out my cnas and lvns during the shift, i know there's always a chance hurting their pride & i hope everything gets better for everyone here
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    quote from geegeebaby82
    ....yes, at the end of the day, a nurse is a nurse. but for me and my other batchmates, we didn't spend four years of our lives to eventfully become a lvn.

    yes same here,but its one of the step that some need to do in order to move forward,some choose to enroll for their deficiency because like me i really want to stay in california and as i have mentioned in my previous post its still up to us to pursue our profession in a higher level..but given the chance to be a lvn,i will still be proud of it because its still a decent job,and i can still do the things that i really like that is to care for the sick,the calling of being a nurse..

    quote from gegebaby82
    .....doing all the "crap" work (not just the dirty stuff) is okay, it's part of their job and yes, rn's have to do so in a pinch, it's like being a maid (not my words, but what they tell me). what's real hard is when it's a young new grad rn giving out the instructions and thinking that should be me doing that job. it's a matter of pride, sorry, just hard to accept after almost a year as a lvn. so yes, i do share her (their) sentiments and feelings.


    if your friends feel that way then why not pursue their profession in another level?..and if you think that it should be you in their shoes(rn)then well advance your nursing career..

    sorry to say too but pride is not in my vocabulary for i know it will not help me anywhere in my career...
    Last edit by kayakoto on Mar 9, '12
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    Those statements remind me of the old saying "pride goeth before the fall".

    Here in Canada, we've had many RNs from the Phillipines work as LPNs because their education wasn't deemed equivalent to that of a locally educated BScN. They actually had to admit to never having done certain skills before that are considered the norm for LPNs in my province. They admitted they found total care difficult because the families provide much basic care "back home". They discovered that despite passing the English language requirements, being able to converse with a patient took more than what they had.

    If you really feel that working as an LPN is so far beneath you, just maybe you should consider trying to find employment back home. No-one in North America held a gun to you and said become a nurse. You and your family bought into a dream of a "golden ticket" with a nursing degree.
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    @geegeebay82.."In all honesty, from my friends working as
    a LVN's (was Phils BSN's), while they don't mind taking instructions
    from an RN, like most of the other LVN's they come into contact with are
    mostly wishing to get out of the LVN work load and become an RN one
    day, so you can imagine the frustrations they are having of being so
    close yet so far away. "

    Doing all the "crap" work (not just the dirty stuff) is okay, it's part
    of their job and yes, RN's have to do so in a pinch, it's like being a
    maid (not my words, but what they tell me). What's real hard is when
    it's a young new grad RN giving out the instructions and thinking that
    should be me doing that job. It's a matter of pride, sorry, just hard to
    accept after almost a year as a LVN. So yes, I do share her (their)
    sentiments and feelings."

    Nursing is team work, every member has a role, referring to another' s job as "crap" work or being like a maid erodes team work and is insulting and demoralizing. To me it gives the attitude, I am too good to be doing this work.... The reason your friends are working as LPNs is that are not qualified to be RNs. It doesn't matter if they spent 1000 years getting education it wasn't good enough for US standards.Sounds like they need an attitude adjustment or look for another field. Your friends do have an option going back to school and get an Associate Degree and pass the NCLEX. They can do this in one year. One suggestion, though, if they feel LPN work is demeaning, RNs in the agencies above do everything the LPNS do, their job is nearly identical except for doing more work such as admissions.

    Your other point is that your friends would like to work for more money and better benefits, don't you feel every nurse would like this option?
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    I have a different perspective on this.

    If a nurse who trained in the Philippines have a BSN and is deemed eligible to be licensed as a Registered Nurse by examination in any given state in the US, my feeling is they should go for it and take the NCLEX-RN. California rules aside (which I would say for the record, that it is totally whacked out!), BSN grads from the Philippines, by and large, are eligible for RN licensure in the other 49 states.

    If a nurse who trained in the Philippines have a BSN, and is deemed eligible to be licensed as a Registered Nurse by examination in any given state in the US, took the NCLEX-RN and failed, was allowed to take the NCLEX-PN and passed it, and now works as an LPN/LVN...then, that's the level of nursing they have proven to be competent in. They should stay as LPN/LVN and not whine about it. They should be glad they were even allowed to take the NCLEX-PN.

    Regarding the "total care", "dirty work" reference...Oh please! Are these people saying these because they feel that nursing home work is demeaning? Because I worked as an ICU nurse in the Philippines from 1992-1995 at the Philippine General Hospital and guess what? we provided total care to our patients which ranged from suctioning thick, smelly tracheal secretions; emptying fecal material from ostomies; providing perineal care after a patient had a bowel movement; cleaning up all sorts of emesis; changing pressure ulcer dressings; among many other "dirty work". I never found doing that stuff demeaning at all. It's part of being the bedside ICU nurse who knows the patients in and out including what's wrong with every system in their bodies.
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    every one is entitled to their own career,gingers mom is correct there so many option study and advance their nursing career if they think its all about the dirty work..

    @ sir juan de la cruz...I think for those who really want to stay in California they will really need to start again from the very beginning..that is to follow what CABON is suggesting..and regarding po that if not passing NCLEX-RN and passing NCLEX-PN it doesnt necessarily mean that they should be LVN forever.Every career is a continous process.Try until you achieve what we really want.
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    Quote from kayakoto
    @ sir juan de la cruz...I think for those who really want to stay in California they will really need to start again from the very beginning..that is to follow what CABON is suggesting..
    And that is a choice you make yourself and I respect that. If it was me, I would take the NCLEX-RN somewhere else and work somewhere else.

    Quote from kayakoto
    and regarding po that if not passing NCLEX-RN and passing NCLEX-PN it doesnt necessarily mean that they should be LVN forever.Every career is a continous process.Try until you achieve what we really want.
    I didn't say they should be LPN's forever. If they can find success in passing the NCLEX-PN and not the NCLEX-RN, that's a fate they have to accept. I agree that being a nurse involves a continuous learning process and you need to advance along the way. Education is such a powerful tool in nursing. I never stopped with my BSN, I have a MSN which I obtained here in the US and I'm now a certified NP since 2004. I also took specialty certifications as a means of assessing my knowledge and skill in the nursing field I'm in including CCRN and CSC. I encourage everyone to advance their knowledge regardless of where they came from.
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    was not good enough in California standard,for they have their own rules for those applying NCLEX-RN which was recently implemented....and not getting eligibility simply because of the concurrency of theory and clinical cases.....but does not mean our education is less than others....
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    I totally understand how frustrating it must be to have your expectations dashed when the CABON tightened up some of the implementation of rules that have been on the books for a long time. It must be very hard to have your friend or relative allowed to take the NCLEX-RN at some time before our current nursing employment crisis with the same background and qualifications you have. It is natural to be upset and disappointed. Welcome to the new world of almost everyone upset and disappointed because of these new realities.

    You could have a letter of recommendation from George Washington himself and be a citizen - and facing an impending crisis in your family because you believed you would have a job upon graduation and Uncle Sam is still going to want those loans paid back. Hang out on this forum for a few weeks and find out for yourself what we are going through before displaying an attitude about what you should have "the right to do" in California, or who's job you feel entitled to.

    Quote from juan de la cruz
    If a nurse who trained in the Philippines have a BSN, and is deemed eligible to be licensed as a Registered Nurse by examination in any given state in the US, took the NCLEX-RN and failed, was allowed to take the NCLEX-PN and passed it, and now works as an LPN/LVN...then, that's the level of nursing they have proven to be competent in. They should stay as LPN/LVN and not whine about it. They should be glad they were even allowed to take the NCLEX-PN.
    Thank you for saying that. I agree. I am thankful and grateful every day to live and work here, and I'm a 4th generation California girl. I'm struggling with my own job issues, too. None of us are immune.

    The lifelong education principle and the humility re: "dirty" vs "clean" nursing tasks know no borders, either. I'm also grateful for the explosion of paths and access to further educaiton we can tap into anytime we want to.
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