RN endorsing license to California-BSN Philippines graduate - page 2
Hello there everyone! Im a licensed nurse of the state of NM but a resident here in California. I am a BSN graduate in the Philippines so the easiest way for me to get an eligibility is to go apt to... Read More
Jul 18, '13 by westcoastguyQuote from janejaneponsHow if you dont have number 2 requirement?I was approved. My licensing analyst from CA BON asked me the following documents
1. Copy of my social security card
2. A copy of my philippine nursing license
3. A copy of my Nursing diploma with english translation
4. Nursing transcript sent directly from my nursing school to BON
5. Clinical portion of transcript ir RLE sent directly from my school to BON
6. Educational breakdown form sent directly from my school to BON
I asked my school the expected delivery of my school documents. They told me sacramento received all my school documents last july12, 2013. And fortunately after 4 days my name was already posted in CA BON permanent RN license holders.
Jul 18, '13 by bellajuliannaThey will ask for your explanation letter or copy of your passport.
Jul 18, '13 by westcoastguyQuote from bellajuliannaCoz I'm from Cali too got denied to RN thats why I took LVN and passed it. Im planning to take RN in other state do you think endorsement is still possible? Coz I have classmate of mine he's an american citizen became RN in TX and apply for CA endorsement still denied,They will ask for your explanation letter or copy of your passport.
Quote from westcoastguyHere's why I wrote a little over a year ago on the endorsement process back into CA: Endorsement back into CA as it pertains to international applicantsCoz I'm from Cali too got denied to RN thats why I took LVN and passed it. Im planning to take RN in other state do you think endorsement is still possible? Coz I have classmate of mine he's an american citizen became RN in TX and apply for CA endorsement still denied,
Those applicants like Janejanepons was a PH grad of 2004 (the year the CA BON started to look harder at those curriculums, it's very well possible that her courses was done in the concurrent manner as required under those rules). However, you will find some even in 2004 and applying into CA (maybe because of their visa status, decided to make the long trip to the States, wanting to make a new life overseas here) are being denied, due to the concurrency issues.
Here's a pretty good thread that kind of sums things up as who's to BLAME for the mess in the CA BON: http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...ca-682278.html
Quote from westcoastguyDepends on your citizenship status.How if you dont have number 2 requirement?
Quote from JVFernandez89Long story, I along with a couple of other batchmates are looking to see what State we would like to (hopefully) find a real hospital job, not being a caregiver, work in LTC, nursing homes, SNF, clinics, dialysis, etc (again and I've said this several times, if your job goals is to work within those fields that's fine for you and nothing wrong with it, go for it, but we (other batchmates) would like to work in other nursing fields such as in the ER, OR, PICU, Cardio, Med-surg, etc. But knowing we need to face the harsh reality of how there's no real demand any more for any PH grads or nurses.Thank you so much for givin me some information. So what r ur plans now? Have you been denied here at california for license endorsement as well??
The stepping stone of working in the LTC, nursing homes, SNF do not lend itself to give one the needed experience to move up into the hospital side of nursing. Oh, there may be a few that gets in, but you'll find many PH nurses who went that route are still stuck in those jobs and can't move out.
It's not about the pay, mind you, but the satisfaction of working in the hospital settings. I and a few other batchmates have gone to see their aunts, cousins, sisters in the nursing homes, LTC and every single one of them after the last several years working there wants out. We don't want to become one of them and they encouraged us to not simply find a job in their jobs, even tho in many places, there's a demand for those types of nurses, it's just not me (nor my friends), sorry.
We still have plans to tour the country side or at least to several states in mind to check it out as you know, it's very difficult to endorse a license into another state and makes zero financial and time-wise sense to get a license from one state because it's easy, faster and cheaper, only to find it's actually the opposite to have to go thru more English exams, possible more course evaluators and paying application fees to a new state that's not going to be refundable, whether you're accepted or rejected.
Here's one of my favorite postings: (sit down for this and grab a drink, lol)
Where's the EASIEST, THE FASTEST, THE CHEAPEST STATE to get eligibility: to AVOID the different (and can be somewhat difficult) English reading and writing requirements, who doesn't need to have their curriculums reviewed and evaluated, if you don't have a local PH license, etc....here's what I've been trying to tell you guys for months!
Kabayans, you have to look at the "bigger picture".
To everyone asking of the same question: just pick whatever state you wish to work in for the next 3-8 years or more. With the strong possibility, this State is where you will plant your roots and watch your babies grow from an infant till they go to college.
-- First and foremost, you must now have a valid SSN to apply into CA and into most states and one day soon, ALL states will require a SSN and for future renewals. There are zero to a handful of hospital sponsorships in the whole country now, don't count on those, you will have better luck winning the lottery odds. There are some states that will allow you to apply and take the exam if you pass all other requirements, BUT those same states will not issue the actual license and license number until you provide them a valid SSN!! Also know that many places of employment needs to verify your SSN as part of the regular hiring process and needed for their accounting dept.
-- Many states are now requiring a copy of PH local license, this is partly so that the BON's can verify if your license name and numbers matches the ones approved and given by the PH nursing board, to reduce those submitting false documentations.
-- Some BON's now require full copies of your entire and current passports with ALL the pages, this again is due to the BON's are finding out that they are receiving more false documents and to verify that one actually attended the courses during the years their transcripts are stating for a fact.
-- Personally, I think the concurrency issue came up when the CA BON's started finding more and more "pirated and false" documents that could be purchased in the Phils streets. So upon closer examination, CA BON staffers began to see some flaws in our PH college transcripts.
-- It makes NO sense to get a license in one state, when you really WANT to work in another, as you need to still PASS that state's requirements you wanted to work in the FIRST place. I see so many trying to go thru the back door but know it's being closed down.
-- You will be spending more MONEY by hopping around one state to another in extra fee$ and possible extra money for certain testing$ and wasting more months waiting and waiting, instead of looking for a job. Why pay double $$$ ??
--- Don't forget that being a "new grad" in many of the States means that you must apply for the new grad position IF you are within ONE YEAR of your graduation, NOT the date and year you pass the NCLEX, this is a big factor that becomes the rejection for your submitted job application. This is true for any US new grads as well, it's across the board.
**** The FASTEST, the EASIEST, the CHEAPEST state to apply into is the State you feel you will put your roots down for many years, the MINUTE you pass the NCLEX! If that state doesn't meet their requirements AND your needs and desires (weather, salary, etc) now then move on and research and travel to that state if you can. ****
-- Avoid the 13-14 states that are enforcing the concurrency now, The list of them are mentioned. Here you go:see [COLOR=#003366][COLOR=#003366][COLOR=#003366]state board licensure requirements hereNV was recently enforcing it. Don't be surprised if FL and TX join the concurrency bandwagon one day, it's a very old requirement from years ago before most of us were born (25 plus years). NV recently started to enforce the concurrency rules.
these are states having concerns over concurrent theory and practicum, so i would look at other 37 states to obtain license:
-- Forget about trying to ENDORSE-TRANSFER any out-of-state license into CA or ANY of the current mentioned 13-14 other states that are enforcing the concurrency rules, it's NOT going to happen as again, you MUST submit the same college transcripts that already DENIED or will DENY the application, there's no way around to go around this! It doesn't matter if you have 2 years or more of US RN experience, my PH friend tried to endorse her FL into CA and was denied the licensure, citing the same concurrency issue. Same thing with our friend with her NY license, same bad fate.
-- As you may know or should know, that jobs for us international students are becoming very hard and pretty difficult to get our foor thru the door, as many hospitals even many clinics are hiring their own students that did their clinical time in that hospital or hiring more of that local students or those from the same State. It's known as hiring the "internals". So getting approved and passing the NCLEX-RN is nothing, compared to finding the real thing......a nursing job.
-- To find out what state you are interested in, the bottom of each page is the list of BON's and you can easily Google...STATE's name followed by "board of nursing"....BINGO! It's all there for the state's requirements, including every one of the Board's has a special ""INTERNATIONAL"" section.
Good luck, everyone, we can do this, but allow a lot more time than originally planned, be prepared to work in a State you really don't want to be in for several years, take any kind of job.Last edit by steppybay on Jul 18, '13
Jul 18, '13 by janejaneponsyou have to write an explanation on why you didnt take the nursing licensure exam in the philippines.
To westcoastguy: the reason I asked what your citizenship is that it will make a big difference in your letter of explanation:
If you are a US citizen, then it's real easy, you simply say that as a USC, the Phils nursing board doesn't allow a USC to take the NLE, make a copy of your passport, done.
However, if you're a dual citizen or a PH resident AND you didn't take the exam for whatever reasons, good luck, as it's not a valid reason. If you took the NLE exam AND failed, it's up to you whether or not you wish to not be honest and not say so, but it's not advisable as if ever it was found out later on somehow, you could put your nursing license in jeopardy.
There are other states needing to see a verifiable local nursing license as part of their requirements. So not having one can lessen your choices of available states to apply into.
Jul 19, '13 by JVFernandez89Hello everyone kababayans! I just talked to my friend as she is endorsing her license here in california too, after submitting all the requirements, clinical cases and etc, the board required her to take MS and OB subject to complete his endorsement. Anybody of you guys who knows a school who accepts international students with this case who just needs to take OB and MS? And any information regarding this case? We appreciate for the time and effort to answer some inquiries or say any suggestions. Please feel free. I think id be getting the same verdict too so i would like to have a head start and also look for some possible schools who are open to this case. Thanks and good day! TGIF
Jul 19, '13 by steppybaySo far there's been none in over a year with the exception of those costing $7,000 minimum to up to $14,000 plus, not including books and supplies. These have been reported as the more expensive private colleges, some have reported a 3-4 year waiting list.
Compliance in CA: http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...on-718314.html
There are a few more threads in more details, just search those them here.
The situation is the CA schools can't afford to operate such a expensive program for just those courses alone, not enough school instructor, not enough preceptors and hospitals staffing to do them, the school's priority are for those already enrolled local students in their nursing programs.
With the current CA budgetary cuts, it will be another year or two or three before things start to improve.....maybe.
Remember there's no obligation on the CA schools and colleges and certainly none from the CA BRN and more so, with the very high unemployment rate of CA's own new grads and nurses, to assist those of us who are bringing a degree from outside of the country. Even those that are US citizens since the funds were spent outside of the CA school system.
However there is light at the end of this tunnel like what this poster did to get her ATT in CA and taking the NCLEX-RN (not LVN) exam recently and able to meet the concurrency problem, I would post your questions on her thread if you want: http://allnurses.com/world-nursing/r...ia-832461.htmlLast edit by steppybay on Jul 19, '13 : Reason: ++ info
Jul 24, '13 by JVFernandez89Hi fellow RN's! I just have a question. Do you guys know any case wherein the person who is endorsing her RN license to cali from another state was eligible before to take the board? My friend was eligible to take the board at cali before but wasn't able to pass it so She tried to apply to another state and she was able to pass nclex-rn, now endorsing her license to cali. Do you guys think that her eligibility before will be carried to be granted an RN license here in cali now that shes endorsing it?
If you guys know any similar case, please feel free to comment or reply. Thank you so much! Have a good day!
Jul 24, '13 by steppybayQuote from JVFernandez89It won't matter if she was once accepted by the CA BON, she will have to apply by endorsement and subjected to the same rules as before. However, she may have a better chance for endorsement if she graduated earlier than 2004.Hi fellow RN's! I just have a question. Do you guys know any case wherein the person who is endorsing her RN license to cali from another state was eligible before to take the board? My friend was eligible to take the board at cali before but wasn't able to pass it so She tried to apply to another state and she was able to pass nclex-rn, now endorsing her license to cali. Do you guys think that her eligibility before will be carried to be granted an RN license here in cali now that shes endorsing it?
If you guys know any similar case, please feel free to comment or reply. Thank you so much! Have a good day!
That's why I've been telling you guys that if you go to another state, be prepared to work and practice using your new RN license the minute that you get it. Again, we're seeing so many kabayans trying to find the easiest, fastest and cheapest State to get the license, then, try to come back into the real desired state, only to find that it's not the easiest, fastest and cheapest way to go at all.
Instead of looking for a job at the state of the newly acquired RN license, there's more wasting of time and money trying to endorse back in. With CA being the most popular state, the back door route has been closing very quickly.
Like I said, be prepared to work and practice and watch your babies grow up as teenagers or adults, to hopefully buy your first condo or house in that state, until (if they ever) change the rulings in CA or the CHED (only for future PH students) finally does a complete change-over to finally meet the CA BRN requirements.
Honestly, with the over supply of available CA and US educated nurses, the constant stream of new CA grads, I don't see CA changing their rules ever, even if there's a real nursing shortage. CA and many other states have learned their lessons from the years prior.
But back to your question for your friend, she should certainly try with the full understanding that the chances of approval are not the best and that any and all fees sent to the CA BRN is not going to be returned, if rejected.
If you read up the last few postings on this side of the forums, you'll see others already recently still being denied into CA of the more current students/nurses.
Jul 28, '13 by Irah0526hi janejanepons, I just want to ask if you submitted your cases to the CA brn? Im planning to endorse my license soon, although there is a 99% chance that they will let me study again. Thank you for your reply