Recent CA BON discussion with regards to the Phillipines

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As you know, someone here going by the moniker, Santo Nino, mentioned of the latest possible licensing issues with those coming in from the Phillipines. However, no one is yet sure of Santo Nino's sources.

Anyways, my roommate's friend who has been trying to get this ATT since last year is totally disgusted by the actions of these fellow applicants going thru such drastic actions to get their CA licensure by presenting falsified documents. Because of these individuals, it has now dampen his fighting spirits that they would snoop so low and cause such an uproar with the CA BON to the point of lying and cheating their way in. These individuals were buying their way in with money and deceit versus studying so hard like many of you having to go thru the years of difficulties and sacrifices.

He was doing some other research on this subject and I actually posted one of his findings in an earlier thread here under the International section, so give him the credit. But he passed on a few more for those following what's been happening.

CA BON is just starting their investigations.

http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/brd/brd_apr11_item9.pdf

see pg. 262-263 below:

http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/elc/elc_materials_oct11.pdf

see pg. 208-209 below:

http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/brd/brd_nov11_item9.pdf

If us Pinoy's could push for issues such as immigration for undocumented TNT's why can't we do the same thing for Pnoy Nurses that are legal residents or even US Citizens. Anyway for now LVN for us folks is an option or either taking Medical Tech related courses.

I think in some ways, at least in CA, the 2010 implemention of the SSN requirement will really drop the overseas application rate. I wonder if the Recto "factories" will find a way to obtain SSN's, but I do know that there are ways for the US employers to double the given SS#'s to weed out the false ones.

There's also mention that soon, all 50 states will require a SSN to even apply and some are enforcing the need to produce a SSN before the license will be renewed, like those in VT may have problems soon and even in CA.

You mention taking Medical Tech related courses, is that to further the RN license or get it to meet CA BON requirements?

I think in some ways, at least in CA, the 2010 implemention of the SSN requirement will really drop the overseas application rate. I wonder if the Recto "factories" will find a way to obtain SSN's, but I do know that there are ways for the US employers to double the given SS#'s to weed out the false ones.

There's also mention that soon, all 50 states will require a SSN to even apply and some are enforcing the need to produce a SSN before the license will be renewed, like those in VT may have problems soon and even in CA.

You mention taking Medical Tech related courses, is that to further the RN license or get it to meet CA BON requirements?

Actually more as a backup option to work and earn income for the meantime. Another option would be to get a shot at LVN and if you pass work for a while as LVN and then work your way up in the LVN-RN 30 Unit option course which is starting to become a realistic solution.

Actually more as a backup option to work and earn income for the meantime. Another option would be to get a shot at LVN and if you pass work for a while as LVN and then work your way up in the LVN-RN 30 Unit option course which is starting to become a realistic solution.

Ok, got it, thanks!

With regards to the LVN-RN 30 unit option, option course: have you looked into it's tuition co$t, minimum educational requirements, the pre-testing exams of some of the schools and the waiting list time?

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As long as one doesn't plan to leave the state of CA, you're okay since many other states do not recognize the CA LVN license. There are some other restrictions I was reading about and one concern was the LVN-BSN jump.

I'm not sure how that works if we are already in possession of a BSN from Phils and if that's not approved by the CA BON, do we need to re-take the entire BSN program or go into an accelerated BSN program, since in the eyes of the CA BON, we don't have a valid BSN degree but yet we may possess an LVN license.

You ask why go or need the BSN title next to our RN title, well, if you look at the job postings for the hospitals (my personal preference and using CA as a reference point), you will see "BSN preferred" or "BSN strongly preferred", meaning that in order to move up to a better nursing position or higher pay, one must have a BSN degree. I mean we have an "almost BSN" degree, but not sure if the hiring staff doesn't care where we obtained our BSN from or if we're legally allowed to have that title: BSN-RN

BSN degree holder from the Philippines is approved by CABON,I know for sure because thats what my analyst told me.She said I just need to complete my deficiency to be able to take the NCLEX-RN exam then if I pass thats it,no need to enroll for me to be able to get the BSN degree because it has nothing to do with the NCLEX RN exam...:)We just have the concurrency issue thats why were not allowed to sit for the exam and it has no connection for us being BSN holder from the Philippines,so guys lets just continue our journey one step at a time..LVN for now then RN next thats it...:)positive thoughts only nevermind some negative thoughts from other posters for it will not bring us anywhere...

Tuition is high thats true same with waiting list for a year,2 or 3 we never know,bottom line is its not the end for us Foreign educated nurse esp.from the Philippines..:)

Here's an article awhile back. But what caught my attention is this poster from the facebook comment. He said that His cases and theories were concurrent but still California denied his application. advisory for philippine nurses who are planning to apply or take the california nclex-rnIt seems that California is finding every possible way to make sure foreign applicants are given a difficult time. I'm not even sure if completing cases within the time frame of the theory can solve this. There has to be another reason why they are enforcing such strict regulations aside from the falsified documents, the low percentage of NCLEX passers of foreign graduates, and concurrency issues. It's like their covering something up. Could be the recession. Them trying to prioritize US graduates and those who lost their jobs. It does make sense.

We both had the same idea. I just hope there's no hidden agenda.

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

Well this is my crazy theory. You see there have been thousands of Nurses who were laid off from their job. I'm not just talking about California but nationwide. At the same time there's an increasing number of applicant's who graduated outside of the USA. What's going to happen to the current unemployed RN's if more and more foreign grad applicants take these job opportunities. Of course this is now a competition, not only between nurses in the US but also with foreign applicants. Now I'm guessing states with an over populated nurse applicants CALIFORNIA specially, are trying to control this problem by enforcing strict regulations. This helps US RN's because they are left with more opportunities and they don't have to compete against foreign graduates. Now guys this is just my guess cause, you have to admit, it's a good reason. Aside from the fake papers coming from the recto, and concurrent issues.

BSN degree holder from the Philippines is approved by CABON,I know for sure because thats what my analyst told me.She said I just need to complete my deficiency to be able to take the NCLEX-RN exam then if I pass thats it,no need to enroll for me to be able to get the BSN degree because it has nothing to do with the NCLEX RN exam...:)We just have the concurrency issue thats why were not allowed to sit for the exam and it has no connection for us being BSN holder from the Philippines,so guys lets just continue our journey one step at a time..LVN for now then RN next thats it...:)positive thoughts only nevermind some negative thoughts from other posters for it will not bring us anywhere...

Tuition is high thats true same with waiting list for a year,2 or 3 we never know,bottom line is its not the end for us Foreign educated nurse esp.from the Philippines..:)

Lol, yea, you're right! I was overthinking the situation :rolleyes: It's just the deficiency course, but also wondering if it's not better to just go with the ADN degree and then the accelerated BSN degree.

I think myself, that to enroll in any of the few possible CA schools offering the deficient course it's much tougher as there's way less open spots and 1,000's more of other international students. My friend has been trying for over a year now and still at square one, getting nowhere.

I know it's great to be positive, until reality sets in of actually trying to get in, it gets very depressing, every time, I talk to her going thru this experience, it is so hard to not shed a tear or two.

The problem she is facing is that every school has its own pre-testing exams before you can even apply, you're that much further behind, but then there's no other choice. So sad....

Both ADN enrollment OR trying to find and get actually fully enrolled in a deficency CA course are both tough.

Well this is my crazy theory. You see there have been thousands of Nurses who were laid off from their job. I'm not just talking about California but nationwide. At the same time there's an increasing number of applicant's who graduated outside of the USA. What's going to happen to the current unemployed RN's if more and more foreign grad applicants take these job opportunities. Of course this is now a competition, not only between nurses in the US but also with foreign applicants. Now I'm guessing states with an over populated nurse applicants CALIFORNIA specially, are trying to control this problem by enforcing strict regulations. This helps US RN's because they are left with more opportunities and they don't have to compete against foreign graduates. Now guys this is just my guess cause, you have to admit, it's a good reason. Aside from the fake papers coming from the recto, and concurrent issues.

Yes, you may have hit on one of the possible theories. When you read of the CA 2011 RN nursing survey of CA new grads unable to find a nursing job in the first year as it's already almost a 50% unemployment rate. Below is the CA BON link to their studies:

http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/forms/forecasts2011.pdf

My US nursing friends are saying their friends are now receiving the new request surveys from the CA BON, as they are listed with the BON when they apply for the NCLEX. So we may see if the job market has gotten better or worse, by Nov-Dec. of this year.

But I also think one possible theory is that when the CA BON started to find out more that previous years PH nurses had submitted false documents, somewhere PH never went to a PH school, but passed on the fraud, it opened up another thing as they started to do their investigations and somewhere along the way, they found the differences between the clinical and theory part.

Guys, you have to know that this greedy act of some PH wanna-be USRN's to take this shortcut hurt us students and nurses who are the innocent ones.

So yes, it's good that the CA BON is catching them and probably took away their licenses and opens up an opportunity for us foreign nurses, but at the same time, does that mean, many hospitals are going to shy away from hiring a foreign nurse for fear of losing that employee and it cost money to each hospital to have to replace a nurse. For fear of "opps, another possible fraudulent nurse".

Yes, you may have hit on one of the possible theories. When you read of the CA 2011 RN nursing survey of CA new grads unable to find a nursing job in the first year as it's already almost a 50% unemployment rate. Below is the CA BON link to their studies:

http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/forms/forecasts2011.pdf

My US nursing friends are saying their friends are now receiving the new request surveys from the CA BON, as they are listed with the BON when they apply for the NCLEX. So we may see if the job market has gotten better or worse, by Nov-Dec. of this year.

But I also think one possible theory is that when the CA BON started to find out more that previous years PH nurses had submitted false documents, somewhere PH never went to a PH school, but passed on the fraud, it opened up another thing as they started to do their investigations and somewhere along the way, they found the differences between the clinical and theory part.

Guys, you have to know that this greedy act of some PH wanna-be USRN's to take this shortcut hurt us students and nurses who are the innocent ones.

So yes, it's good that the CA BON is catching them and probably took away their licenses and opens up an opportunity for us foreign nurses, but at the same time, does that mean, many hospitals are going to shy away from hiring a foreign nurse for fear of losing that employee and it cost money to each hospital to have to replace a nurse. For fear of "opps, another possible fraudulent nurse".

I believe both are factors based on the timeline of events. It's almost impossible that they occurred and hold zero influence on CA BON being more rigorous and technical with their rules. And yes I'm so mad at those people who were stupid enough to submit false documents. Having these people caught and removed is perhaps the silver lining through this adversity that we're forced to deal with though. Imagining one of my family members being put in the hands of someone who isn't a real nurse horrifies me. But yeah it sucks that it affected greatly the foreign nurses who are honest and legit. In terms of the views of hospitals, I think it would depend on their experiences with their previous and current foreign nurses. To be specific, it is subjective to the hospitals' administrators. Some foreign nurses I know have a good employer-employee relationship with their hospitals being under them for many years.. so them knowing about these fraudulent cases wouldn't change their general opinion in a snap. At the same time, this could not be true for other hospitals. Undeniably though, with or without them being aware of the caught fakes, discrimination is still a prevalent issue foreign nurses will always have to deal with (almost every month, there's a case mentioned on TFC news).. not all the time and of varying severity, but there will be those occasional encounters as long as there are judgmental people... and it's not just in the hospital setting, even here on the internet it's still present. But I still have faith in humanity. :)

I believe both are factors based on the timeline of events. It's almost impossible that they occurred and hold zero influence on CA BON being more rigorous and technical with their rules. And yes I'm so mad at those people who were stupid enough to submit false documents. Having these people caught and removed is perhaps the silver lining through this adversity that we're forced to deal with though. Imagining one of my family members being put in the hands of someone who isn't a real nurse horrifies me. But yeah it sucks that it affected greatly the foreign nurses who are honest and legit. In terms of the views of hospitals, I think it would depend on their experiences with their previous and current foreign nurses. To be specific, it is subjective to the hospitals' administrators. Some foreign nurses I know have a good employer-employee relationship with their hospitals being under them for many years.. so them knowing about these fraudulent cases wouldn't change their general opinion in a snap. At the same time, this could not be true for other hospitals. Undeniably though, with or without them being aware of the caught fakes, discrimination is still a prevalent issue foreign nurses will always have to deal with (almost every month, there's a case mentioned on TFC news).. not all the time and of varying severity, but there will be those occasional encounters as long as there are judgmental people... and it's not just in the hospital setting, even here on the internet it's still present. But I still have faith in humanity. :)

Exactly! I think discrimination will always be present as long as there's diversity here. Did anyone here heard of any news regarding the using of false documents to be an RN? Just wondering because I never watched or heard anything from the media. I just want to be informed regarding that issue. :)

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Wow I herd of this do u have any link to watch about this false documents thingy?? Thanks!

Wow I herd of this do u have any link to watch about this false documents thingy?? Thanks!

It's found on the CA BON website under their monthly meeting minutes somewhere, so it's all public information that's accessible on-line. It seems to be an on-going investigation and you might have to quickly look thru many many pages.

Have you clicked on the ones that was posted on the first page to start or you may have to cut and paste the links? It will direct you more into the web area that mentions their findings.

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