Problem applying nclex in california - page 3
by jrmRN | 75,958 Views | 150 Comments
hello, i am an foreign graduate and an RN from philippines. i migrated here in california last nov 11 and was planning to take nclex here but when i submit all my requirements they told me that i am not eligible to take the nclex... Read More
- 0Jul 31, '12 by kassyi have repeated my nclex rn exam at cali board and i have recieved a letter requiring clinical rotations and so much..after i have requested from my school all the requirements and submitted to cali board...guess what cali board wrote me a respond that my application is concurrent or wait for their decisions...i came to find out that the truth is they no longer wanted foriegn graduates.Whats the point of asking those requirements if denied an applications,cost money and time.Why not just tell foreign graduates who will ne taking nclex board not to pass requirement to them..really disappointing.Make me really sicked.Then ....just yesterday i spoke to oregon board director i was told that they are requiring now a local board(frm your country and 3 years clinical experience local country and if you were a graduates of morethan 3 years ,want you back to restudy again.Very disapponted.She even know whats goin on in Cali board...im assuming that all states must be affected and tougher now to get nclex rn..Im US citizen ,went to Manila to finish my nursing and this is what im getting out of all the money i spent in school and my time..i tried florida state but rquiring english proficiency test,new mexico same thing but if you live in compact state you cant take new mexico board exam...nevada samething.Im really sad and disappointed i fe like no luck and where else could i inquire?sad
- 0Jul 31, '12 by steppybayQuote from kassyKasy, I too feel your disappointment and anger, but have you read all the other topics in the other International forums? It gets worse.i have repeated my nclex rn exam at cali board and i have recieved a letter requiring clinical rotations and so much..after i have requested from my school all the requirements and submitted to cali board...guess what cali board wrote me a respond that my application is concurrent or wait for their decisions...i came to find out that the truth is they no longer wanted foriegn graduates.Whats the point of asking those requirements if denied an applications,cost money and time.Why not just tell foreign graduates who will ne taking nclex board not to pass requirement to them..really disappointing.Make me really sicked.Then ....just yesterday i spoke to oregon board director i was told that they are requiring now a local board(frm your country and 3 years clinical experience local country and if you were a graduates of morethan 3 years ,want you back to restudy again.Very disapponted.She even know whats goin on in Cali board...im assuming that all states must be affected and tougher now to get nclex rn..Im US citizen ,went to Manila to finish my nursing and this is what im getting out of all the money i spent in school and my time..i tried florida state but rquiring english proficiency test,new mexico same thing but if you live in compact state you cant take new mexico board exam...nevada samething.Im really sad and disappointed i fe like no luck and where else could i inquire?sad
There are already 12 other states requiring that we take our courses on a concurrent basis, which is 100% the fault of our own educational system, thanks to the CHED, PRC and PNA. It was reported they are all trying to correct their mistakes that has been in existence since 1987! I think most of PH grads were just born around then and they never ever took the needed measures to make sure we complied with US minimum standards.
Did you read Geegeebaby's post above? She said it all and then some. Those that are going to graduate from PH probably from 2014 on will not be affected as finally the light bulb went off.
You do also have to know that even if you have a license from another state with lot of experience, you can't endorse back into CA or any state with the concurrency issues, since you'll be asked for your transcripts all over again.
- 0Jul 31, '12 by steppybayTO: Kassy:
We have three options as a foreign student now (if you want to stay in CA):
You can do 2 things: (one doesn't allow you to remain in CA to work or practice)
1. Go back to school in an accredited program in CA. But just know it's nearly impossible to find them and if you do, there are thousands of other students from India, UK, Phil, China, Russia, etc going after those 1-3 spots, if that. Most courses are only offered once a year.
2. Apply for licensure in another state that do not have the concurrency requirements, but so far, we know of 12 other states that do, look over in the International forums, there might be more states enforcing those requirements. This option doesn't allow you to work in CA at all, as you're not able to endorse the license over for the same denial reasons of your CA application.
3). Apply to become an LVN, you can have your transcripts sent over from the CA BON staffer, you need to go to the CA LVN website, as they are different from the RN side. Just know that LVN jobs are even tougher to get as many hospitals are no longer hiring as many, some places are even letting them go.
One reason the CA BON was cracking down on the foreign students was it was noted that many fail the NCLEX more than once and that's a reflection on the educational system of at least for PH grads and nurses. In the States, it's over 85% overall passing versus PH was under 50%, more like 43% passing the first time. From my understanding, CA BON as in most states, they base the educational background as the main foundation.Last edit by steppybay on Jul 31, '12 : Reason: information added
- 1Jul 31, '12 by Esme12, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorConcurrent issues are not only affecting PH nurses it is affecting many of the online US nursing programs. States are making decisions about the education these online schools are giving and they are making changes to their application guidelines. If they apply it to the US schools they need to apply it to the foreign schools as well.
If a market that is flooded with nurses they can now enforce the rules. It's applied to everyone not just foreign nurses.Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 14, '12
- 0Aug 13, '12 by giggleangelI've read this from another thread.
Hello. To all the aspiring NCLEX applicants of California Board of Registered Nursing.
At this time, California is imposing severe restrictions on your applications. This is a result of some incompetent Filipino graduate nurses who recently became Registered Nurses but were reported delinquent to a disciplinary committee in California due to bad nursing practice OR a select few applicants who produced fraudulent nursing records in order to comply with the CA-BRN. It also became a result due to certain select falsified Nursing diplomas of applicants who, while living in the United States, in hopes of fooling the California Board of Registered Nursing produced the commonly called *Recto falsified documents*. This implementation began in November 2011 and affects all aspiring (non-passing) re-applicants, brand new-applicants, and future RN renewals (of Philippine Graduate) in the State of California.
(Note: The falsified documents from "Recto" does not refer to any nursing school associated with that name. Rather, the term "Recto" is a colloquial term which refers to falsified or doctored transcripts/diplomas/documents which may be obtained for sale along Claro M. Recto Avenue in Manila, Philippines.)
Should you choose to apply for a Nursing License in California---whether as already an American Citizen or with Filipino Citizenship---you *will* be subjected to the following concurrency issues. Please note that all applicant fees and mailing fees submitted to the State of California are non-refundable and final.
1. That you should possess a Nursing License administered by the Republic of the Philippines through the Philippine Regulation Commission.
2. If you were once a foreign student, i.e. American Citizen, or U.S. immigrant with a limited visa time allowance while studying in the Philippines----a formal letter of explanation is required as to why you did not comply with obtaining a Philippine Nursing License (due to limit of timestay accorded by your Philippine Student Visa).
2. That your nursing clinical rotation schedule AND clinical cases be complete *per* skill type.
3. That your nursing clinical cases must be complete *BEFORE* the date of your graduation ceremony.
4. That your nursing clinical cases must strictly match *WITHIN* the semester associated with RLE or NCM skill---in addition to having been completed *before* the date of graduation ceremony. (Note: This refers to some nursing schools in the Philippines that are not subjected to CHED's regulation do not have this rule in their curriculum)
5. That you should possess a valid SSN or TIN number for security and verification purposes.
Failure or inability to fully comply with these requirements are grounds for the rejection of your application packet.
At this time, a certain motion is also being prepared to affect Philippine graduates already working as Registered Nurses in California to be subjected to the same concurrency regulation ONCE their License Renewal is to be updated.
Should an applicant chose to apply to another State, other than California and be approved to take the NCLEX and be a licensed Registered Nurse in that state (i.e. Vermont, New Mexico, Etc.)----returning back to California in hopes of reciprocity at a future date will still subject you to the same concurrency regulation---and be denied of Licensure in California---as the basis of CA-BRN Licensing Unit is education---not the passage of NCLEX examination or the obtainment of License at another U.S. state.
Should the California Board of Registered Nursing offer you a partial solution, it is among the following items:
1. Comply with the requirements needed as itemized on the letter of response. If you believe that you have completed your cases before the date of graduation ceremony, and within the structured semestral confines of your RLE and NCM *per* type of case matching----then ask your Nursing School to comply and produce those requested documents.
2. If your application is deemed incomplete, then a partial solution would be to re-take your cases at an accredited California Nursing School. At this time, no Nursing School or any Nursing business establishment will provided cases for Free, or cases without a paid tuition fee classes associated with the clinical case. (Business-wise it isn't profitable for the school). And it is wishful thinking that the school will consider you, a NON-enrolled student, be prioritized first before their own paying students with tuition-fee obligation---to which the school must commit to graduate.
3. Since no other school is offering these cases, ONLY the University of San Francisco is offering these cases at this time----the usual requirement by the California Board of Registered Nursing is the completion of Medical Surge and Obstetric Cases-----the usual timeline to complete these cases is One Year. After which, you must still re-apply again in entirety to the Board of Registered Nursing and seek to be approved to take the NCLEX examination, pay the non-refundable application Fee, comply with the required Nursing School documents. Even then, the NCLEX examination approval and the NCLEX passing are *not* guaranteed.
4. Move on or choose to take up another profession other than Nursing.
5. Contact your Assembly locality or other Nursing Associations who may shed assistance, advice, or solutions to this delicate matter.
- 0Aug 18, '12 by kSheenhi.im a newbie here
i was currently denied the eligibility to take the NCLEX-RN in CA.
i studied at philippines and go back here right after may graduation.
my analyst suggest me to take the LVN test.she also told me that she can forward my requirements from CA BRN to CA LVN and pay a $30 fee for forwarding the documents.
when i checked the LVN site.Im confused to what application form should i fll up.
Method #2 - Graduates of an Out-of-State School of Practical/Vocational Nursing
Method #3 - Equivalent Education and/or Experience
any information is appreciated