nursing school that accepts ob & ms to fulfill requirements of ca bon??

  1. 0 i want to start this thread to know if there is school in southern california or california that accepts 2 subjects or subjects that fulfills requirements for california bon.
    for those who are also looking for school lets help each other:0

    i also wants to know if theres really a nursing school that accepts ms or ob or subjects that is required by bon to retake due to concurrency issue?

    as ive been looking around, calling schools they only accepts 2 years or three and thats to take the entire nursing curriculum...
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    From 'Stanton, CA, US'; Joined Jun '12; Posts: 43; Likes: 2.

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  3. Visit  bellajulianna profile page
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    Email flypinay24x7@yahoo.com she could give u info about one school.
  4. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Click and read this one: http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...vn-811001.html

    There's one So Cal school metioned somewhere in these threads, but like some or most of them offering there's a 2-3 year waiting list (for IEN's), about the same amount of years waiting for just the regular CA nursing students looking into a regular LVN-RN bridge program.

    There's a few other threads discussing the other schools for both nor and so Cal.
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    hi to all thanks for all replies and suggestions.
    im just thinking that the ca bon really didnt plan this correct for all of us international graduates affected by concurrency issue. they are saying there are tons of schools that accepts 2 subjects which is ob or ms or psych for some but i dont see or happen to know schools accept this subjects to be taken by itself. the bon ca should have made it clearly for all of us that we cannot take just 2 subjects but instead the whole nursing class again. weve studied and they dont know what weve been through. and also they are only giving us 3 years to complete this subjects if not our paperworks will be just thrown away. but most schools has waiting list which takes years for us to get in. it is SO SO UNFAIR.

    what im venting is they make this rule enforce to us and they also should have a solutions for us not just make us wonder what school. or should i say bon ca says before to me " there are alot of schools that accepts 2 subjects only" and now im looking where????
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    Quote from steppybay
    Click and read this one: http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...vn-811001.html

    There's one So Cal school metioned somewhere in these threads, but like some or most of them offering there's a 2-3 year waiting list (for IEN's), about the same amount of years waiting for just the regular CA nursing students looking into a regular LVN-RN bridge program.

    There's a few other threads discussing the other schools for both nor and so Cal.
    hi. thank you, have you tried getting into school for those two subjects? just wondering if anyone is already taking ob and ms?
  8. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Quote from idreamtobeaNURSE
    hi to all thanks for all replies and suggestions.
    im just thinking that the ca bon really didnt plan this correct for all of us international graduates affected by concurrency issue. they are saying there are tons of schools that accepts 2 subjects which is ob or ms or psych for some but i dont see or happen to know schools accept this subjects to be taken by itself. the bon ca should have made it clearly for all of us that we cannot take just 2 subjects but instead the whole nursing class again. weve studied and they dont know what weve been through. and also they are only giving us 3 years to complete this subjects if not our paperworks will be just thrown away. but most schools has waiting list which takes years for us to get in. it is SO SO UNFAIR.

    what im venting is they make this rule enforce to us and they also should have a solutions for us not just make us wonder what school. or should i say bon ca says before to me " there are alot of schools that accepts 2 subjects only" and now im looking where????
    That's why I mentioned in another thread:

    Until the state of CA can get more money to open up more special classes, then things might look up, but the state is broke and budget ctubacks everywhere. To add to this problem, there's not enough clinical hospitals AND a qualified perceptor nurse to assist each nursing student. They are already filled to the top with just their regular enrolled students and those times and spaces will not be given away to students not paying the regular tuition. We just have to wait in line (with a few thousand other international students from all over).

    For the above reasons is why the other schools are unable to accomodate the foreign students at this present time. As such, the CA BON is not obligated in any way to accomodate other than "here's a list and find out yourselves". They have NO responsibility as any more than some of their own US educated students who can't apply into CA if they graduated from a school called Excelsior College (look at the CA BON site and pertains to those graduating after a certain year).

    Remember that the CA BON and the college school system themselves are TWO completely different organizations and don't have any real connections between them. They are operated independent of each other.

    What's real unfair is that our own CHED failed us in that they have known of this "concurrency" problem for years and it was posted by other kababayans, even their own Deans knew but didn't do a darn thing. So now we all suffer. The question now is to see if the new 2013 PH grads will meet the CA BON rules.
    Last edit by steppybay on Apr 10, '13 : Reason: ++ info
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    Quote from idreamtobeaNURSE
    hi. thank you, have you tried getting into school for those two subjects? just wondering if anyone is already taking ob and ms?
    Yes, I've tried and so have several of my batchmates, all (me too) unable to enroll or simply rejected. To be very honest, I don't think there's been even one successful PH person that have been truly enrolled today or been accepted. There was one possible person but he never came back to say so or sounded unsure.
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    Quote from steppybay
    Yes, I've tried and so have several of my batchmates, all (me too) unable to enroll or simply rejected. To be very honest, I don't think there's been even one successful PH person that have been truly enrolled today or been accepted. There was one possible person but he never came back to say so or sounded unsure.
    to me and everyone who got affected by these concurrecy issue is so unfair. we are willing to comply with the requirement they are giving but finding a school is so difficult, its like they are not giving us a chance at all. we all have 3 years only to comply.i got denied january 2012 and i only have 2 years or less to comply now. im so desperate i dont know what to do anymore.
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    Quote from idreamtobeaNURSE
    to me and everyone who got affected by these concurrecy issue is so unfair. we are willing to comply with the requirement they are giving but finding a school is so difficult, its like they are not giving us a chance at all. we all have 3 years only to comply.i got denied january 2012 and i only have 2 years or less to comply now. im so desperate i dont know what to do anymore.
    Have you read this topic? Click here: http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...ca-682278.html

    The very first comments says it all, pretty much....we're in their territory (CA BON requirements, these are very old written policy facts, CHED ignored them for over the years). The US educational system can do concurrency but that's because they "limit" their enrollment so that each US nurse can learn (shadow) a very experienced nurse, one-on-one, not like in the Phils with 25-35 plus students to a patient, etc. Which is why we PH grads couldn't complete our cases in a more timely manner. CHED allowed with the colleges to over-crowd the student population and only hurt us students.
  12. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    I understand the depressing feeling of being unfair when I too was denied by the CA BON early last year. But after a while, I've come to realize it is what it is and we need to move on. As I posted many times, for many kababayans, the state of CA is not going to be happening for many many years especially those that graduated between the years of 2004 and to the present (maybe the 2013 graduating classes will meet the minimum CA BON requirements and be lucky, we shall see soon).

    There are already 13-14 states that have the same concurrency rules, with some not yet actually enforcing them but can do so at anytime, any day with full rights as those policies have been in existence for a couple of decades if not longer.

    The fact that the CA BON and the CA college systems are two completely different agencies or governing bodies, with completely different sets of rules, they can only do so much. The fact the CA BON will grant a 3 year extension to get the needed courses done they feel it's more than adequate time to get them done, not knowing it's truly near impossible, but not out of the question.

    Yes, there are some colleges trying to start up deficiency courses: CSU-Fresno (40 students), Victorville (10) and various other CA colleges (approx. 20-25) so even if all actually happened, it will leave out a couple of thousand foreign students on waiting list. But it does (a). cost lots of money to do so, (b). there's just not enough qualified preceptors to help, (c). not enough hospitals to go around, as these colleges are not about to mess around with their already enrolled and higher paying students already committed to the nursing program.

    Don't forget it's not all about us PH students or nurses, there are those coming from Russia, the UK, AU, NZ and other international places that are also trying to make up deficient courses in some way. It's truly every man or woman for themselves, it's either me or you or your best friend competing.

    So it boils down to it's not their problem, but rather ours. This is coupled I think that with the very high unemployment rate of CA's own new grads of almost 50% will NOT get a nursing job within 12-18 months of graduation, there's no incentive for the CA BON to relax or go back to ignoring the concurrency rules or any other rules that do not comply with the requirements. As there's no more perceived "nursing shortage" and with current rate of teaching new grads locally, there's no need to further any outside nurses.

    Add to this as mentioned in a BBC article last year, there's NO demand for PH students/nurses in the States till at least 2020. Here's that article: http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...et-779683.html

    The US alone has graduated close to 1,000,000 nurses recently, the US has more than met the demand needed. More and more hospitals are hiring those that took their clinicals with those they knew known as internals.

    I know there are many others that have gotten their licenses from out of state, only one had successfully been able to endorse into CA, I know probably due to an evaluator mistake, otherwise, endorsing back into CA is a gamble of time and money since CA will ALWAYS request copies of the original college transcripts, which is where the documents are found to not meet the concurrency that once denied their application in the first place.

    That's why I've been telling others, be prepared to plant your roots, watch your babies grow in a house till they go to college in another State other than CA or those enforcing the concurrency rules.

    There's always the option of going the LVN-RN bridge route, but to get into those programs are highly competitive and in some cases, very expensive. Many also have waiting list (years) just for their regular CA students. There have been a few real lucky kababayans that have gotten pass the CA BON and actually passed the NCLEX-RN, you may be one also one day, but just know there are 99.5% not so lucky.

    I've had a couple of e-mails sent to me about entertaining a lawsuit (let's not really go there), but my question to them is based on what grounds? These are written policies established since 1952, it applies to all CA schools and to anyone wanting to practice in CA. CA BON is not so strict as to say "sorry, you don't meet the requirements, go away", they give the 3 year completion date of application, so that's the out they have. Whether or not, it's out there is not their problem.

    The fact there are some schools that offer deficient courses, is not any more different than a USC or local CA resident or even a foreign new student wanting to get into a nursing program but can't due to excessive applicants, can't meet the grades, can't pass certain exams, don't have enough money, etc., they can't be suing the CA BON for the same reason.

    It pointed in the previous link mentioned of a PH attorney has already looked into the CA BON requirements and it was his legal opinion that the CA BON is correct in their assessment of the regulations affecting us.

    Supposely the CHED and the two other PH nursing agencies came twice to meet with the CA BRN officials in Dec. 2012 and Feb. 2013 but nothing was heard of what happened if anything. Personally, I think the CA BRN probably gave the PH officers and staffers an earful to get their act together, increase the NCLEX passing rates (from the 40% to at least 85% overall), comply with rules, reduce the colleges, etc.

    What really is "unfair" is the way the CHED truly left us high and dry, knowing that over 33% of PH grads will come back to CA or want to make CA the first and final place to work and practice. But then, CHED is only concerned with keeping up with the country's own requirements. The real sadness is that CHED has known of these problems for years and looked the other way.
    Last edit by steppybay on Apr 13, '13 : Reason: ++ info
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    Quote from steppybay
    Have you read this topic? Click here: http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...ca-682278.html

    The very first comments says it all, pretty much....we're in their territory (CA BON requirements, these are very old written policy facts, CHED ignored them for over the years). The US educational system can do concurrency but that's because they "limit" their enrollment so that each US nurse can learn (shadow) a very experienced nurse, one-on-one, not like in the Phils with 25-35 plus students to a patient, etc. Which is why we PH grads couldn't complete our cases in a more timely manner. CHED allowed with the colleges to over-crowd the student population and only hurt us students.
    yes ive read this. our point here is that we enhance our skills on ncm 103 which is summer time. thats after our 3rd year of nursing.and we already handle cases from 101 and 102. in my opinion they cannot judge us just for our cases. if you think about it, its like preceptorship here in usa.
    i can feel that we are discriminated here not just our bsn. thats just what i feel.
  14. Visit  ceridwyn profile page
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    How do you do clinicals having a patient load when there are 20-30 students to each patient. Do you not just learn clinical skills and mark them off as you go.....there is not any taking a patient load and knowing how to relate to each patient as required attending there skills and needs in priority as there is no clinical time for this?

    So just doing skills whenever you get a chance against several other students is not concurrent and done over the entire degree and clinical placement where you put nursing theory just learn't into practise is not happening due to the overloading of nursing students into the hospitals - as advised by an RN from the Phillipines practising in Australia.

    Is it discrimination asking for concurrency of clinical practise along with the theory for this to happen? as per the Cal Bon education requirements for their own students.
    Last edit by ceridwyn on Apr 14, '13
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