New grad Filipino nurse wanting to work in Australia/New Zealand Part 2 - page 13
Due to recent changes regarding applications for International nurses to Australia and the combining of the nursing boards to one central nursing board in Australia AHPRA I have started a new thread... Read More
0Quote from glioblastoma"hi! can anyone please enlighten us Phil BSN-RNs with:
1. Phil BSN-RN vs AU Nsg Cert I-V or AU BSN-RN (not sure if it's really I-V hehe, i think this is where EN/RN enters, or whatever! ahihi)
2. which of the latter is equivalent to Phil BSN-RN?
"Certificate III", "Certificate IV", are courses which are not "Bachelors degree", most Unis categorized these as "vocational or training" courses.. Example: Certificate III in Aged Care (which makes u a qualified PCA, AIN, caregiver as called in Phils.)..
"B" would of course mean "Bachelors" degree..
I forgot what "category" EN belong, is it "associate", "undergraduate", but one thing for sure EN is not "Bachelors" degree holder..
Phil. BSN is "equivalent" to Aus. BSN, only because of the "B" in it.. And that's why assessments are made by AHPRA on applicants so as to answer your no. 2 question..
0I was talking to a person involved with New Zealand registration and they do not except 2nd coursers for this very reason that they believe it is not equivalent to a 3 year nursing degree......even if few subjects are not nursing. How big are the nursing units?
Now 2 years only of nursing, hmmm are many second course 2 years? no way can you fit 24 nursing unit equivalent nursing subjects in 2 years.
But I suppose we shall see soon..
BTW our EN now must do a Diploma in Nursing which is a 18-2year course at a Tafe or a University ....this may come into play as well. 16 units gives you a Diploma and EN cert.Last edit by ceridwyn on Sep 12, '10
0Quote from ceridwyni really hav not seen the TOR/transcripts of 2 year course nursing grad.. so i cant render opinion on them.. i dont know how many are these 2 year second courser.. i know a lot of 3 year 2nd coursers because one of the major schools here offered that program (but now, they stopped such)..I was talking to a person involved with New Zealand registration and they do not except 2nd coursers for this very reason that they believe it is not equivalent to a 3 year nursing degree......even if few subjects are not nursing. How big are the nursing units?
Now 2 years only of nursing, hmmm are many second course 2 years? no way can you fit 24 nursing unit equivalent nursing subjects in 2 years...
But I suppose we shall see soon..
BTW our EN now must do a Diploma in Nursing which is a 18-2year course at a Tafe or a University ....this may come into play as well. 16 units gives you a Diploma and EN cert.
oh yah i rmember the key word "diploma".. yep thats for EN.. prior AHPRA, some Unis are offering it 18-2yr as you said..
one thing i understand is that obtaining/holding a license/registration is privilege, not a right.. so i am in no position to demand nursing license from NZ nsg. council whether im 1st or 2nd courser.. thus with regards to NZ's viewpoint, i can only say my piece for the sake of just expressing it.. if an NZ applicant is a 2 year nursing grad, and NZ disapproves it, well so be it.. if an NZ applicant is a 3 year "second courser" nsg grad, then all i can say is that said 3yr "2nd courser" have the same "pure nursing subjects" as that of 4 yr "1st courser", so if NZ does not accept 3 yr "2nd courser", then might as well not accept 4 yr "1st courser".. but as ive said it is a privilege not our right to demand or even complain about it.. we are guests to your homeland..
0I have been looking at the curriculum of the nursing college that a filipino nursing friend went to, who often taunts me about me 'only having' a 3 year degree she went through in 2005, table tennis and folk dancing are some of the subjects......is this serious? I think thats what is mean't by degrees having cert 1v subjects, these would not make cert 11, wait till I see her next.
If she can get registered with this curriculum, anyone can.....mmmm may have a bit of a twirl and a hit miss at the table tennis during lunch with her. This year swimming and land taxation are subjects! Is this school considered, good!
http://www.eac.edu.ph/nursing/nursing.pdfLast edit by ceridwyn on Sep 12, '10
0Quote from ceridwynthanks for the attachment..I have been looking at the curriculum of one of the nursing colleges that a filipino nursing friend went to, who often taunted me about me 'only having' a 3 year degree she went through in 2005, table tennis and folk dancing are some of the subjects......is this serious? wait till I see her next.
The curriculum this year when you go through the 4 years picking out any nursing subjects comes to 24, these subjects have amounts of lectures beside them, most of them only have 3-4 lectures and only some have 1-2 labs....this is not what happens here. On campus is 3 hours a week for every subject.
if i want to, i can explain and defend their tennis and dancing subjects, but i dont care much about such, they can have plumbing or voice lessons if they want to.. my main concern would be on the "pure nursing subjects" (what are these, and the number of hours in classroom and clinical exposures)..
is it 24? sorry i didnt count them.. just want to explain for clarity the following:
1> "unit/s" have an equivalent computation in terms of total hours.. i forgot the formula, but one thing super sure is that one "unit" of a subject would have a TOTAL of more than 6 lectures or 6 hours-lecture, it's really more than that...
2> the attached file did not show the total number of hours per subject, it only showed "units" as shown in page 11 onwards.. as i mentioned in my previous post, there was a document that previous nursing boards required (and i did submit it) which shows a summary of the TOTAL number of hours per subject as to classroom and clinical exposure...
3> you wrote ".......these subjects have amounts of lectures beside them, most of them only have 3-4 lectures and only some have 1-2 labs....this is not what happens here..."
i assume you read this in page 17 of the attached file, i noticed it too, but whoever wrote that page did not use his brains, the information was misleading and perhaps erroneous.. nonetheless, i dont care much about that page because it refers to midwifery course..
4> you wrote ".....On campus is 3 hours a week for every subject..." i assume you refer to Australian campus.. i agree that it should be that way.. in the Philippines, there nursing subjects who have 3 hours lecture a week, but most of the nursing subjects have 6-9 hours lecture per week, then the clinical exposure is a separate number of hours as counted.. it will really immediately give us a clearer picture and comparison with Aus curriculum if we have that "document" i mentioned in no. 2...
hope above clarify things.. but one thing i can assure you that the total number of hours in classroom and clinical setting that Philippine nurses have is more than 1,000 hours (pure nursing subjects), i just cant remember if its more than 2000, but im definitely sure it is more than 1000, as in i will bet all my nursing licenses (US, AUS, PHIL.).. hehehe peace...
thanks as always...Last edit by cioman94 on Sep 12, '10
0thanks for the clarification, I am sure most of the higher passing schools do have plenty of time on campus and heavy assessments, what we need to make sure does not happen are nurses from this diploma mill type institutions, my bugbear is this claiming to be a 4 year university degree in the science of nursing when it clearly is not. My colleague has told everybody on many occasions if any more promotions come up she should be considered first because she has a 4 year degree. Yes a 4 year degree full of secondary school subjects plus a few cert 11 type modules.
0Quote from ceridwynhehehe, i agree, that is why i kept on saying about that "document" i described because it will automatically give us and AHPRA clearer picture and comparison, thus making decisions easier (whether to approve/disapprove)..thanks for the clarification, I am sure most of the higher passing schools do have plenty of time on campus and heavy assessments, what we need to make sure does not happen are nurses from this diploma mill type institutions, my bugbear is this claiming to be a 4 year university degree in the science of nursing when it clearly is not. My colleague has told everybody on many occasions if any more promotions come up she should be considered first because she has a 4 year degree. Yes a 4 year degree full of secondary school subjects plus a few cert 11 type modules.
i dont believe that jst becoz she has 4 year degree then that would give her a right to claim promotions, i really dont believe in that.. other factors should be considered and you know what i mean..
0Sep 12, '10 by Silverdragon102, RN AdminQuote from dongarsNot in Australia or NZ so better to look at posts like 153 or ask other membersHi Silverdragon, I am currently Registered as an Rn in WA, currently in NZ working for an Agency, I like have a permanent job in western australia, I got only one year experience in the philippines. Can you recomend an employer in western australia? Thanks
0Sep 13, '10 by glioblastomahi!
just to reiterate something:
i think this excerpt from both "AGOS-04 and Nursing and Midwifery Recency of Practice Registration Standard" indirectly answers the immortal question on whether nursing volunteer experience in the Philippines will be considered or not: The time was spent undertaking postgraduate education leading to an award or qualification that is relevant to the practice of nursing and/or midwifery.
so aside from nursing volunteer experience, will master's degree taken in the phil be counted too?
please correct me if i am wrong...
0Sep 13, '10 by glioblastomahi everyone! i've completed (i think) ahpra's requirements.
i used agos-04 for this query...please check the link
ahpra - web page or document could not be found
ahpra requires the original cv and sos right?
please validate if only the following are to be certified/notarized:
proof of identities
qualifying exams (nle, nclex)
(did i miss something?)
there are contrasting excerpts from the agos-04 (please take note of the red font color)
1. on page 1, it says that "all supporting documentation must: * be certified in accordance with the australian health practitioner regulation agency's (ahpra) guidelines;
2. however, on page 9, the checklist only requires the passport, license and relevant academic qualifications and transcripts to be certified, as evidenced by this:
section j: checklist
a certified photocopy of your passport
a certified photocopy of your licence
certified copies of all your relevant academic qualifications and transcripts
a separate sheet with additional qualifications
certificate of registration status or certificate of good standing
a separate sheet with additional registration details
your curriculum vitae (cv)
a separate sheet with your criminal history and explanation of circumstances in australia
a separate sheet with your criminal history and explanation of circumstances overseas
evidence of the successful completion of an approved english language test
evidence of your secondary education to the requisite level, taught and assessed in english
a separate sheet with your impairment details
a separate sheet with your suspension or cancellation details
a separate sheet with your cancellation or refusal details
a separate sheet with your disqualifications details
a separate sheet with your conditions, undertakings or limitations details
a separate sheet with your conduct performance or health proceedings
so in certifying documents, which is to follow, page 1 or page 9 of agos-04?