New AHPRA registration criteria?? Evidence to cover criterion 8?

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normge

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One thing that could be challenged is the requirement for Australian Nurses to pas IELTS to become registered in the UK. What is the basis for that condition? If it because English is only the "defacto" and not the "official" language of Australia, then this should be challenged on the basis that English is not constitutionally the official language of the UK either.

On the subject of UK Diploma's, refusal of registration, AHPRA, ANMAC, Visas, etc, I am continuing to "enlighten" the Australian Federal Goverment, both at Ministerial and Advisory levels. From the response of the latter, I can only assume that NOBODY appears to be aware of the problem's that this issue is causing.

They are NOW!!

Silverdragon102, BSN

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One thing that could be challenged is the requirement for Australian Nurses to pas IELTS to become registered in the UK. What is the basis for that condition? If it because English is only the "defacto" and not the "official" language of Australia, then this should be challenged on the basis that English is not constitutionally the official language of the UK either.

It isn't just Australians that have to take the IELTS for the NMC. It is everyone that did not train within the EU that have to take the exam regardless on whether English is their first language

normge

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I agree @Silverdragon102 but the conversation between myself and @Ceridwyn is specific to inter-country registration for UK and Australian nurses.

Silverdragon102, BSN

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Trying to point out that it has nothing to do with whether English is the 'Defacto/Official' language of Australia

normge

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Ah yes, totally agree.

normge

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Australian PM, no less, is now aware of this situation and he has asked the Federal Minister of Health to investigate.

So a Government Department alligned to the Health Department takes administrative action, and the MOH doesn't know what going on?

DOH!

normge

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"ps there are not vast amounts of sponsorships around for overseas nurses. One look at any of adverts saying you must have work rights shows that."

Depends where you are looking I suppose. I have a steady stream of between 150 and 200 positions advertised, and most of those are sponsored if required.

Then again, hospitals can only offer the position to an O/S nurse if they can't fill it in Oz. Thats the law. I would have thought you would have known that!

ceridwyn

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Yes, as intimated before Australia has the same disorganised, uncommunicative government between departments just like every other grown up western country, just like the UK. Thank you yet another swipe.

Mr Abbott, really, He is not even interested in the plight of Australian nurses in Australia nor the minister of health!!! No matter how the union reports it it them, But while he has found the time and consideration for overseas UK nurses perhaps he could chew the ear of the UK pm about AU nurses in the UK.

Thankyou umpires thankyou ball persons...

Mr Abbott and his government would be more concerned with the backlash that immigration are letting people in on skilled visas that are not registered with their professional organisation and therefore are not skilled for Australia and then entering the country and needing centreline benefits, with all the centreline cutbacks to seniors and disability, and money going out left right and centre for people from overseas thus would be the icing on the cake.

normge

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Once again, you are off topic. If you have a gripe with your government, then take it out on them - not on Overseas Nurses. WE are fighting for the reputation of UK Nurses, their professional standards and the Educational institutions that teach them.

AHPRA has only to answer ONE question, and all this would go away. But they fail repeatedly to do so, and that is why this issue has been escalated to Ministerial level so quickly - because affected nurses have rallied, and tried to get the answer to that ONE question.

When I was at University in Adelaide, we had a very long and serious discussion on the subject that Australia, whilst very good at ideas, was quite naive at presentation and doing business abroad. I think this is what you fail to grasp.

ceridwyn

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You fail to realise, UK nurses, education institutes, NMC only have to prove this to their own government and people not to the Australian or any other country.

As for being off topic, I would argue that it is ludicrous for one group of people to argue forseen nursing registration rights in one country, when the other group of people from that country do not have that right in the previous groups country.

If another country's nurses board decides that another country's masters of nursing that took 8 years is not of the equivalent/does not cover the same curriculum of their said nurses education curriculum of a certificate 4 then so be it, no other country has the right to say they have rights to that country as a Registered Nurse. One thing that has opened my eyes is the perceived rights issue in Australia if one is from the uk. All warnings were there but discarded as not to do with the UK nursing education. (How could they!)

Furthermore, though, I do think experience should be considered after 5 years if a skilled shortage specialty and that many experienced overseas nurses should be considered for Registration even if they have not upgraded to degree. As it is probably nit picking that the diploma uk nurse is not educationally prepared to nurse for Australian conditions after years of experience.

It is a privilege not a given right to be a Registered Nurse in country and in another country.

As for your last comment, I am sure your long and serious discussion at the University of Adelaide on all things Australian was very intellectually stimulating for those who partook of the discussion.

normge

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I think this thread is about AHPRA not the NMC or any other agency.

I think this thread is about UK RN's, not those from other countries

I did not go to the University of Adelaide - what ever gave you that idea?

AHPRA have simply said the Dip HE does not compare with and Australian degree. They haven't said WHICH part doesn't compare or why.

It's a bit like saying cheese is not comparable to Stilton!

Silverdragon102, BSN

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