Complying with CA BON deficient courses

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As the title states for the folks that have to take certain courses such as OB, MS or either Psyc, has anyone visited and spoken to any Nursing directors at the approved CA BON Nursing Schools listed on the website?

If so please share us your thoughts on the matter, it would help thousands of Nursing Graduates that received this special requirement that we need to comply with the CA BON before NCLEX examination.

I have been waiting for an MS class for two years now. Im in contact with a school facility who is deciding whether or not to open a section specially those for international graduates who are in the situation like all of us are in. It will be in san diego, california. If it goes through, I will let you all know! =)

I have been waiting for an MS class for two years now. Im in contact with a school facility who is deciding whether or not to open a section specially those for international graduates who are in the situation like all of us are in. It will be in san diego, california. If it goes through, I will let you all know! =)

Great news! You may wish to start a new topic if you need other interested people to sign up on a list if the school needs to see "demand". I'm sure you'll get a pretty good long list.

Hopefully, this San Diego school will not have the problems the other CA schools that tried to offer these deficiency courses.

We know that CSU-Fresno and possibly Victorville College (??) have tried or still trying. But one has maybe offered to do this in the 2014 summer school season, but ran into some common problems (as with any CA college in this terrible economy): insufficient budget, funding shortage, lack of qualified preceptors, enough classroom instructors and or hospital co-operation, all of which must happen at the same time in order for this to be successful.

Do you know or can discreetly inquire if there's going to be a student limitation size? Or simply offered to just a few (say less than 5-10 international student per semester) as I know, any school's priority is going to be for their own already enrolled nursing students and not wanting to hurt the current students by crowding up the available spaces.

is that possible? i think board of nursing California only allowed us to take ob and ms here in CA

That was my understanding too, but illoi never came to answer this question.

As for the class, i'm thinking that the school's admin wants to know that there will be people who will sign up for the class. After having to deny plenty of international graduates seeking to take MS, he made it seem like there was really high hopes that the section will open up for Medical-Surgical.. just waiting for the decision from the director.

As for the class, i'm thinking that the school's admin wants to know that there will be people who will sign up for the class. After having to deny plenty of international graduates seeking to take MS, he made it seem like there was really high hopes that the section will open up for Medical-Surgical.. just waiting for the decision from the director.

The two other posters who needed interested students with at least 30-40 possible applicants it seems "filled" up the interest list in about 1-2 weeks. These were for the CSU-Fresno and Victorville schools.

That's why you need to find out from the director what sort of minimum number of international students does he need to offer these courses. Is he talking of just 2-3-5 or 20-30-50?

Just know that in CA alone, there was some numbers mentioned of the PH students looking for such courses was between 4,000-5,000 and I suspect that number will grow again, once the 2013 grads are finding the love letter from the CA BRN.

It does make me wonder if those 1,000's (PH) do pass the NCLEX-RN and the CA new grads is having a near 50% unemployment level (CA BRN survey results), will those from outside of the country be looking at 90 - 95 +% unemployment rates, since the hiring preferences in CA (and most state) are going to the local CA grads and out of state US educated (but those unemployment numbers are even higher than for the CA grads for the outsider state grads). I don't have actual statistics on that part, just from what my USA educated nursing friends tells me and that's based from their out of state friends.

I've quietly been following this for a while now. Glad to hear some positive development, I wish I had the finances to really get those MS and OB done but for now I've decided to do the LVN route. Been reviewing for my LVN, god willing I'll pass

Btw has anyone here tried the LVN-RN 30 unit route, I mean for all that time and waiting list just to get two classes done might as well just go for the LVN-RN 30 units instead.

I've quietly been following this for a while now. Glad to hear some positive development, I wish I had the finances to really get those MS and OB done but for now I've decided to do the LVN route. Been reviewing for my LVN, god willing I'll pass

Btw has anyone here tried the LVN-RN 30 unit route, I mean for all that time and waiting list just to get two classes done might as well just go for the LVN-RN 30 units instead.

Kind like the lesser of two evils. The LVN-RN path is very competitive not only with other local CA grads, but other international applicants (not from the PH), the cost in the "easier" admitting ones are $$$$$, the waiting list for some of them are long, but not like the years of the more community colleges.

The other thing is that a lot of the programs requires at least one year of nursing experience, which is partly to reduce the hugh applicant pool.

I don't recall any PH student that posted yet that made it into any CA LVN-RN program. There's been those that passed the LVN exam, a couple are working it already, but not yet enrolled.

Nice! Does it include the clinical part too? If so, how do feel about that vs what we get in the Phils?

Of course it comes with the clinical part! Its very different. the technology is all new and everything is computerized, so its something that you'll have to get used to here in the states. As with experience, it really all depends on how you look at it. you get a one-to-one training with a nurse whom you shadow. If allowed, you're able to perform skills with the guidance of your instructor/nurse. However, in the surgical room you just observe. Unlike the philippines where you are able to have a more hands on learning experience when assisting the surgeon. Ive notice in the philippines, its hard to get hands on experience when inserting IVs/foleys/etc because the graduate nurses need it for their hours, but because it is a one-to-one clinical here, you'll be able to do that without the competition. Also, the nurses/doctors in the states expect you to know a lot, so brush up on skills/theory because they will ask you questions.

Also, quizzes and finals in theory classes are all computerized and questions are made similar to the level of the NCLEX.

Of course it comes with the clinical part! Its very different. the technology is all new and everything is computerized, so its something that you'll have to get used to here in the states. As with experience, it really all depends on how you look at it. you get a one-to-one training with a nurse whom you shadow. If allowed, you're able to perform skills with the guidance of your instructor/nurse. However, in the surgical room you just observe. Unlike the philippines where you are able to have a more hands on learning experience when assisting the surgeon. Ive notice in the philippines, its hard to get hands on experience when inserting IVs/foleys/etc because the graduate nurses need it for their hours, but because it is a one-to-one clinical here, you'll be able to do that without the competition. Also, the nurses/doctors in the states expect you to know a lot, so brush up on skills/theory because they will ask you questions.

Also, quizzes and finals in theory classes are all computerized and questions are made similar to the level of the NCLEX.

Thanks for the information and good to hear straight from a kabayan. It proves what I've been saying all along and what my US educated nursing friends have agreed on AND why the US nurses have a very high NCLEX first-time passing rate of over 80-85% versus our low passing rate of 30-35%.

The US teaches the "needed critical thinking", not just the practical learning. Like I said to others, it's one-on-one, not 20-30 plus students hovering around the same patient, asking the same thing, trying or wanting to do the same thing. That's why in the States the nursing programs are so impacted (crowded) to just get in, unlike in the Phils, just packing them in like cattle.

Yes, that's why the CA BRN and other concurrency states REQUIRE that the clinical and theoretical courses must be done in the same exact semester, NOT months or a year or two later, the critical thinking is most learned and retained faster and better when taught and practiced together.

All of which eventually ties in the taking the NCLEX that so many US grads don't bother having to resort to any other books or tutoring or videos or do so with just a book or two and many take the NCLEX within the first 3-4 months of graduation so that they can start to look for the new grad residency programs.

You'll do good on your NCLEX, just wished ALL our courses in the Phils were done the same way, right? Good luck!

Specializes in OR-ICU.

Let me clarify that because that is not the complete picture. Just a simple background, I graduated here in California in 1997 and my husband will be graduating this year.

AS an LVN to RN student, you go in as a 2nd semester student. The class is cohort. You will have theory and clinical. You have to pass both in order to move on the next phase. In clinical, as a second semester student in med surge, you will be expected to know your stuff. You will have between 1 - 2 student and you will be managing your patients. You will be hands on, vitals, head to toe, bed bath and meds. PO and IV. You will do procedures too like foleys, G tube, N g tube etc. You will be graded and your instructor will be watching over you. One small mistake boom you loose points. You make X amount of same mistakes you will be kicked out of the program.

As a student you come in at 6 am, pick two patients, get their H & P, diagnostics test results, current and previous lab results (chem/cbc), get report from the RN and prepare an oral report for your meds (class/purpose/patho/side effects/safe dose etc). Usually one patient will have a minimum of 10 meds and you have to be ready before 8am. You are so busy you dont have time to pee. Seriously, its super stressful. Every second you spend with the instructor is like an hour being in the hot seat.

In surgery you do nothing but observe. Surgical rotation is more of giving you an idea/exposure thats all. The focus here is med surge. They want you to be able to take care of 6 patients safely and efficiently by the end of the semester.

I wish CA would adapt a more straightforward approach towards this issue I frankly wouldn't have mind if they would implement CGFNS and county of origin where you were educated nursing license, even the rules in TX are at least pretty clear.

Hi all, I'd to ask regarding that deficiency in OB-MS thing. Is it possible to enroll that in the Philippines? or does that have to be enrolled within the state of California.

Thanks!

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