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Complying with CA BON deficient courses - page 6

As the title states for the folks that have to take certain courses such as OB, MS or either Psyc, has anyone visited and spoken to any Nursing directors at the approved CA BON Nursing Schools listed... Read More

  1. Visit  BayAreaResident profile page
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    You might feel appreciation. I just feel ****** off. I wasted 4 years of my life for a piece of paper that say's I have a Bachelor Degree but it is not acknowledged by the state I was born and raised in. I feel cheated. I took the Nclex once already but did not pass and I got denied on my re-application. Talk about oppurtunity knocking only once huh. Hypocritical if you ask me.
  2. Visit  Ginger's Mom profile page
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    Bayarearesident, As an American why did you go to an international school? The fact you did not pass the nclex means your education did not prepare you well for US nursing.
  3. Visit  BayAreaResident profile page
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    I went to an international school because I could not afford to go to college in the United States. I don't want to blame my school for not passing, others have taken the exam once and others more than once. I still don't get how I can qualify and then a few months later not qualify.

    My wife took the Nclex twice and is also a foreign graduate. She is now a succesful Licsensed RN working legally in the US. I do understand that the Nclex is minimum requirement and really should be passed on the first try. I guess I will settle for being an LVN until I can find classes and money to fulfill my educational deficiencies.
  4. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Quote from BayAreaResident
    I went to an international school because I could not afford to go to college in the United States. I don't want to blame my school for not passing, others have taken the exam once and others more than once. I still don't get how I can qualify and then a few months later not qualify.

    My wife took the Nclex twice and is also a foreign graduate. She is now a succesful Licsensed RN working legally in the US. I do understand that the Nclex is minimum requirement and really should be passed on the first try. I guess I will settle for being an LVN until I can find classes and money to fulfill my educational deficiencies.
    Yea, it was a matter of timing in between your first time non-passing then re-applying. If one applied prior to Nov. 2011 plus or minus a month or two, one was able to get their ATT, BUT then anyone either applying for the first time or on a re-application AFTER the fateful month of 2011, did the CA BRN start the strict restrictions on enforcing the 25 year old concurrency rules that's written in the CA policies.

    Nevada actually has had the concurrency rules since 1952!! As with any US State's BON's, they can do what they feel works for the present time and situation, meaning they can enforce or not do so.

    Since it's a privilege, not a right to become an RN, as long as one meets the minimum said requirements. While the CHED didn't have to meet any of the State's requirements, as it must only be more concern with the Phils own needs and wants, it is now attempting to meet that minimum of the States. I think we shall see if the CHED has done so with the new applicants coming in from the Phils of the 2013 graduating class. The word is that the CHED will not make the actual changes till the 2016 year, so we'll see soon.

    When the big BOOM of the rash of PH nursing schools opened up in the early-mid 2000's, it just created a bigger mess of not enough "qualified" clinical instructors, not enough patients to go around, not enough hospitals to take in the mass amount of students, 25-35 plus students per patient ratio is not a good teaching method, etc.
    Last edit by steppybay on Mar 9, '13 : Reason: spelling and ++ info
  5. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    SUCCESS....FINALLY......someone got into a CA approved school and soon to take the NCLEX-RN in CA!!!

    Actually, there's more than one person...poster Lyly, says some close friends got in and another poster SoCalNurse88 just finished taking the deficient class and found eligible and got the ATT!! Yipeee!!

    Click here for the story: http://allnurses.com/general-nursing...ng-831332.html

    Good luck ladies!!
  6. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Another SUCCESS story!! This isn't in CA, SoCalNurse88 went to AZ, got a CA approval for the CA ATT and soon to take the NCLEX-RN!!

    Click here: http://allnurses.com/world-nursing/r...ia-832461.html

    Good going!!
  7. Visit  Fernandes RN DOU1 profile page
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    Quote from Ginger's Mom
    Bayarearesident, As an American why did you go to an international school? The fact you did not pass the nclex means your education did not prepare you well for US nursing.
    Hi. I know you are wrong. I am a American RN who went to school in the USA/CA and just because some nurses dont pass nclex-rn does not mean mean "the education" from the PH is All bad... In the PH the real school make sure are a great nurse. Many schools in the USA prepare you just for nclex-rn and not bedside care as much as they should...
  8. Visit  Ginger's Mom profile page
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    I was responding to Bay Area resident, who went outside the US to get an education, the board of nursing in CA has decided his education did not meet CA standards. To confound the process he was allowed to sit for the nclex and failed. In the long run the 4 years of schooling was wasted. The majority of PH nurses who sit for the nclex fail around 70 percent compared to 10 percent U S.


    His education may meet the standard I the PH but according to CA he does not meet the standards, and in no way does it reflect the caring nature a person has, but no one can be a great nurse when only 30percent meet the us standards.
    Last edit by Ginger's Mom on May 12, '13
  9. Visit  Fernandes RN DOU1 profile page
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    Quote from Ginger's Mom
    I was responding to Bay Area resident, who went outside the US to get an education, the board of nursing in CA has decided his education did not meet CA standards. To confound the process he was allowed to sit for the nclex and failed. In the long run the 4 years of schooling was wasted. The majority of PH nurses who sit for the nclex fail around 70 percent compared to 10 percent U S.

    His education may meet the standard I the PH but according to CA he does not meet the standards, and in no way does it reflect the caring nature a person has, but no one can be a great nurse when only 30percent meet the us standards.
    I am responding to your respose to Bay Area. The 4 years of nursing is not wasted. You make it sound as if PH nurses are not a good USA nurse? why just because they dont review hesi, kaplan, ati, and prep for nclex-rn how us USA nurses do?.. For example USA nurses are good at nclex-rn, not good at bedside care compared to PH nurses. How do I know? I work by both on the floor. You are correct about no one can be a great nurse when only 30% meet nclex-rn.
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    Quote from Fernandes RN DOU1
    I am responding to your respose to Bay Area. The 4 years of nursing is not wasted. You make it sound as if PH nurses are not a good USA nurse? why just because they dont review hesi, kaplan, ati, and prep for nclex-rn how us USA nurses do?.. For example USA nurses are good at nclex-rn, not good at bedside care compared to PH nurses. How do I know? I work by both on the floor. You are correct about no one can be a great nurse when only 30% meet nclex-rn.

    Great question, from what I have read here posted by PH nurses, PH clinicals have inexperienced instructors, not every student has there own patient. Also US hospitals have computered based charting, high tech equipment. I believe that is one of the reasons why the pass rate is low since PH students do not have strong clinical experiences to draw on.
    The other concept is delegation, since there are limited resources PH nurses tend to do it all and do not learn the skills of delegation.

    is the observation that PH nurses are better bedside nurses based on fact or personal observation? I would love to read a peer reviewed article based on data.Of course there are great PH nurses but are patient outcomes superior to to US trained nurses?If so the US should be adapting nursing practice to PH standards. that would make a great graduate project!

    in reference to my the 4 years wasted is the fact many PH nursing students will near qualify to work in the USA due the fact they can not take the nclex or pass the nclex.
    Last edit by Ginger's Mom on May 14, '13
  11. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    It's official from a e-mail broadcast from CSU-Fresno and forwarded to me by a batchmate still looking:

    (I deleted the actual name and contact numbers per the TOS) of the below:

    Dear International Nurses,

    I am writing to inform you that unfortunately we will not be offering the OB and Critical Care classes this summer at Fresno State due to lack of faculty. We are hoping to have these courses in place for summer of 2014. We will keep your information and notify you if any classes become available in the near future. If you have any questions please feel free to contact our Nursing Department office at (559)XXX-xxxx. Thank you.

    Sincerely,

    --
    S
    Administrative Support Assistant II
    California State University, Fresno
    Department of Nursing
    2345 E. San Ramon; MH25
    Fresno, CA 93740
    Last edit by steppybay on May 28, '13 : Reason: deleted some info
  12. Visit  Halen21 profile page
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    Just received a denial letter from my analyst! although i expected this will really happen. Now, i am ambivalent whether to just take the 2 classes (ob&ms) which i know will be hard looking for schools offering this or just do nclex pn and take lvn-rn bridge afterwards. Anyone having the same insight? Thanks
  13. Visit  lloi profile page
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    Quote from Halen21
    Just received a denial letter from my analyst! although i expected this will really happen. Now, i am ambivalent whether to just take the 2 classes (ob&ms) which i know will be hard looking for schools offering this or just do nclex pn and take lvn-rn bridge afterwards. Anyone having the same insight? Thanks
    thatis because of the concurrency clinical cases. what about going back in the same university where u graduated and take the same ncm and finish the case with the same sem? making sense right? ask the CA BRn coz that is what i will do


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