CA BVNPT - LVN inquiries and updates for international students - Page 2

I'm sorry, I don't know much about this subject (IEN), but maybe others here can help out with that situation.

Oh, NO! I just received this very disappointing e-mail from my overseas friend, she was denied to take the LVN exam in CA.

Her letter cited the same thing with the same concurrency issues for the RN application.

BVNPT - Unapproved Nursing Programs


It was pointed out in the letter as seen in the last item mentioned in CA BVNPT rules.

She will have to pursue her out of CA applications for sure now and hope's to get one state that does not require a SS#, either upon the initial application or after passing the NCLEX.

Sorry, if you feel that way, you're entitled to your opinion. I can only tell you what I get in terms of e-mails or if we chat on-line. She is a friend I met while I was on an overseas trip to the Phillipines a few years ago, I come to find out she too was studying nursing and we struck a bond.

We kept in touch over the years, so yes, I truly believe her and report back here what she and a few of her classmates are going thru.

Hey, sometimes the news is not always good, you would rather have me tell you, you will all get your ATT for the RN license in a few days? Would you rather have me tell you you don't need to bother with a SS#, it's going to pass without one? I guess this is sometimes what happens in trying to be helpful. Sorry, if I don't paint in lovely and rosy colors for you.

That's great that you got your ATT for the LVN exam, good luck to you. But I can tell you that for the reason, she got her denial letter was for not meeting the concurrency. Maybe everyone else will get their ATT as well, but like some here have had their own friends get the ATT for the NCLEX-RN, but they got denied even after being in the same classes together in the same college. By the way, she did attend a very good college and did well.

If you happen to read very closely to the BVNPT link I posted above, you can see one of the bullet points for getting denied is the concurrency issue. This is the first time I was made aware of this based upon after seeing her e-mail today, I was taken away.

I can tell you based on her e-mail to me, how sad it was and I had a big lump in my throat and a few tears running down my face. There's no reason for her to lie to me, we have been talking about finally one day we can go to Disneyland together and we're working nurses.

I told her, let's re-submit the application. She is still overseas and uses a friend's address here in CA. We're not giving up hope yet in CA, but she is exploring other options to get her RN license.

here's the direct copy and paste answers she got from her contact person at the bvnpt when she started the process a few months ago:

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(1). will the bvnpt still accept applicants with the non-currency of their classes?[color=#17365d][color=#17365d]
[color=#17365d]the lvn board does not require concurrency of theory/clinical however, it is on a case by case basis, whereby yes, you must show your courses were taken in the same semester. the board may require a declaration that no internet/distance learning was in the program and may require copies of passport/visas.


(2). can a foreign student still submit their application and the fees without listing a ssn?[color=#17365d]
[color=#17365d]yes, just indicate that you're a foreign student, however, the board requires a valid us social security number to qualify to sit for the examination.


(3). do you forecast any future changes to the above due to flood of foreign applicants and lack of nursing jobs?[color=#17365d]
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[color=#17365d]no, the requirements were put in place by the board to protect the public.

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she submitted her application based on the above information to her contact person's attention. so you can see the inconsistency of the answers: yes, you can do this, but no, you can't because of that. she applied not using a ss# as she can't since she does not possess one, but she was not denied for that, but rather for the same item that ca bon did.

recognize the bvnpt and ca bon are two different approving and governing entities. in any sort of government operations and staffing, they are known for being not the quickest in their dealings with the general public.

she has actually been starting to look into other states, not waiting for the ca answer. she has been going thru the other things such as those foreign testing evaluations for her courses and language proficiency, applying into ny. she was looking into vt, but found they just started the ss# requirement. she told me that her other friends are looking into smaller states? your guess is as good as mine on that.

This is direct from the BVNPT own site: (to be honest, I didn't even read this before, until she dropped the bad news to me on when I found out, it was right there).

Indicators that the program may be unapproved or cannot be deemed equivalent:

• The program is not listed on the Board's website as an approved vocational nursing program or on the California Board of Registered Nursing website as an approved registered nursing program.
• Lack of proof of accreditation in California (i.e., documentation from the Board verifying a specified period of accreditation). (The nursing program may tell you that it is approved.)
• Lack of a course syllabus for each course taught.
• Lack of information regarding credentials for each program instructor that comply with the Vocational Nursing Regulations in California.
• Representation of online, distance, and/or blended instruction.
• Representation that transcripts and/or degrees will be issued by an out-of-state or international program rather than the program where instruction is provided.
• Lack of concrete information regarding clinical instruction, such as the location of the clinical instruction or that clinical instruction is to be completed abroad.
• Lack of concurrent instruction of theory and clinical practice.

Here's that direct link again below:

BVNPT - Unapproved Nursing Programs