13 states with same CA BON concurrency issues

L.A · Jul 20, 2012

i knew of the recent vt denials and just as of yesterday my friend's letter of rejection from az, same as ca bon's reason.
let's all thank our ched, prc and pna for doing a "great" job of not meeting the states minimum educational requirements.
i'm sure that this will also affect other countries not just those from phil.
as posted by nrskarenrn on july 18, 2012 in post #447 in this thread https://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...35-page45.html
"ony those states that have explicit education requirements of concurrent theory and practicum will philippine nurses have licensure issues.
excellsior college new york nursing graduates have had same issue recently. see state board licensure requirements here
these are states having concerns over concurrent therory and practicum, so i would look at other 37 states to obtain license:
alabama
arizona
california
georgia
illinois
kansas
louisiana
maryland
north dakota
oklahoma
vermont
virginia
washington "

phil.nursing colleges are now adjusting their theory and clinical curriculum already i know it because i have relatives taking up nursing in the phil.and now they are seeing the changes already.this is only late last year that nursing colleges in the phil.are being aware of the concurrency issue of the stricter rule by cabon and now they are trying to correct it.too late for some but still changes are being made.so there are still chance for those who will be graduating 2013 and so on..:)

steppybay · Jul 24, 2012

Let's all hope that these nursing colleges also improve the way to boost up the newer generations critical way of thinking so that we can see NCLEX passing rates on the 1st attempt of at least 80% or higher like those in the States than the low 40% level of the PH colleges.

Let's hope the nursing schools stop using inexperienced students to teach the clinicals, some of whom I knew were just recent grads themselves.

They need to limit the amount of incoming nursing students as it's mentioned here in a couple of published articles, there are over producing nurses in a global world that is not hiring like years before.

Like you said, it's good they are changing their ways but still have a ways to go.

Rose1210 · Aug 15, 2012

So michigan is still safe...? Hope that i am not the first to get denied...*fingerssupercross*

randss · Aug 15, 2012

this is very frightening. It means this will probably be my only chance to pass the nclex before this concurrency thing catches up to the state i applied to...

elkpark · Aug 15, 2012

I think it's v. odd to be criticizing a country's schools for not preparing their graduates for licensure in another country -- if anyone suggested that it was the responsibility of US schools (of nursing, or anything else) to arrange their requirements, curricula, etc., to ensure that graduates could be sure they would meet the licensure requirements of other countries, you would be laughed out of the room. Why is that the responsibility of PI schools? They are, presumably, educating individuals to be prepared for nursing licensure and practice in the PI, same as the nursing programs in every other country in the world. Why is it any business of the schools that so many people want to leave the PI to work somewhere else?

steppybay · Aug 15, 2012

I think it's v. odd to be criticizing a country's schools for not preparing their graduates for licensure in another country -- if anyone suggested that it was the responsibility of US schools (of nursing, or anything else) to arrange their requirements, curricula, etc., to ensure that graduates could be sure they would meet the licensure requirements of other countries, you would be laughed out of the room. Why is that the responsibility of PI schools? They are, presumably, educating individuals to be prepared for nursing licensure and practice in the PI, same as the nursing programs in every other country in the world. Why is it any business of the schools that so many people want to leave the PI to work somewhere else?

I'm reposting someone else's link about the "Closing of Nursing Schools" in Phils.

CHED to close nursing, 2 other courses next year

After you read the article, what's "told" to us PH students is that you should have NO problems getting into the States (CA is not a problem, "we're accredited" (not only in PH, but for the USA), "we're ISO certified", we're your "gateway to the States" and many others forms of what I now call "white lies". It's still being preached today by the schools and colleges.

There's also known factor that about 33% of all PH nursing students are most likely to go to CA for their license alone: due to the VAST job opportunities everywhere, due to the "fact" the States loves the PH nurses, due to the ease of getting the ATT due to less requirements unlike the other states (no need to pay extra to have classes examined, no need to take English testings, etc), on and on. We HEAR this from our own instructors, professors, other students, parents, friends, relatives, friends of friend, etc. it's instilled in their thoughts and don't mind showing it off.

So if we take PRC's own number of PH grads of 78,513 (2009) and (record) 88,549, that's a potential 25,909 and 29,221 PH grads wanting to take the trip over the pond to fulfill their dream jobs in CA.

Those numbers if you think about are quite staggering, considering just one year's worth of PH students out-number the CA entire regular nursing application pool, including LVN's and probably the CNA's! We're talking over 55,000 PH grads in just two years headed for CA only.

With this in mind, the CA rules and regulations in regards to the need to those certain courses concurrently have been on the CA BON books since 1987! I wasn't even born then and yet the CHED, PRC and PNA never changed their ways to meet the USA standards.

You're right about why should our country try to meet any other countries requirements, but the truth is now, after getting so much heat from the thousand's upon thousands complaining to the PH educational powers to be, are finally deciding to (supposely) to change the curriculum! They didn't have to do it, but the truth is it's a cash flow cow to keep the system going without having to change a thing.

It also seems over the past recent 6-8 years the quality of our education has gone downhill so fast, that's why the vast majority of first time NCLEX takers are failing well below the 50% level. The schools use fresh new grads who can pass the local testings to TEACH us how things should be done, talk about the blind following the blind.

We have to PAY to work in a PH hospital, hello, what's wrong about that picture?

Well, that's what we have to deal with and why I do blame the PH educational system and goals as far as nursing programs and studies go. There was another poster that says the same thing also and a few others who will admit to that also.

steppybay · Aug 15, 2012

There are few interesting articles posted here:

Nursing shortage in the US

https://allnurses.com/nursing-in-philippines/nursing-shortage-over-753361.html

Phillipines nursing dreams soured:

BBC News - Nursing dream turns sour in the Philippines

steppybay · Aug 15, 2012

Click to the the CA BON mess from another poster:

https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/who-blame-ca-682278.html

This poster had some inside information about the CHED.

poala0413 · Sep 4, 2012

i knew of the recent vt denials and just as of yesterday my friend's letter of rejection from az, same as ca bon's reason. let's all thank our ched, prc and pna for doing a "great" job of not meeting the states minimum educational requirements. i'm sure that this will also affect other countries not just those from phil.as posted by nrskarenrn on july 18, 2012 in post #447 in this thread https://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...35-page45.html"ony those states that have explicit education requirements of concurrent theory and practicum will philippine nurses have licensure issues. excellsior college new york nursing graduates have had same issue recently. see state board licensure requirements here these are states having concerns over concurrent therory and practicum, so i would look at other 37 states to obtain license: alabama arizona california georgia illinois kansas louisiana maryland north dakota oklahoma vermont virginia washington "

Is it Washington state or Dc?

mater21 · Sep 7, 2012

Hi. Where did you find the article or new that 13 states are having concurrency issues?

kellieskorner · Sep 8, 2012

I've applied in Washington state having same issues