13 states with same CA BON concurrency issues - page 2

i knew of the recent vt denials and just as of yesterday my friend's letter of rejection from az, same as ca bon's reason. let's all thank our ched, prc and pna for doing a "great" job of not... Read More

  1. Visit  kellieskorner profile page
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    I'm in Australia.This cgfns is bogus when they want to take your money and you already know you won't meet standards.we are deficient in peds/ob as midwifery is an extra year after the bachelor degree and child and family course doesn't meet as some of us didn't have clinicals.Is there any state in the USA that will actually license you as an RN if you are from the Phillipines or Australia.I did my LPN in the USA so at least I have that license.Just wondering if the peds/ob component of the LPN would satisfy the RN requirements
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  3. Visit  steppybay profile page
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    Quote from kellieskorner
    I'm in Australia.This cgfns is bogus when they want to take your money and you already know you won't meet standards.we are deficient in peds/ob as midwifery is an extra year after the bachelor degree and child and family course doesn't meet as some of us didn't have clinicals.Is there any state in the USA that will actually license you as an RN if you are from the Phillipines or Australia.I did my LPN in the USA so at least I have that license.Just wondering if the peds/ob component of the LPN would satisfy the RN requirements
    That's the unfortunate thing unless one can read and understand the Rules and regulations of the business and professional rules as set forth by EACH state BON's, as it can vary from one state to another. It is in each of the State's websites, but it does take some serious reading.

    The few states that are having some international students with some success (BUT it can change at any time) are Hawaii, Michigan, NY, TX and VA, but these are for the concurrency issues in most cases.

    But since you already know that you're lacking in the peds/ob requirements and if there's anything else missing or lacking, it has to meet up to that State's educational requirements.

    Maybe your dean knows where some other students from your school has been approved at without needing the additional courses, but I'm guessing there's none and just have to find the courses somewhere to meet the minimum standards.

    I don't know about if the LPN license you have is from what State will meet for what State's RN requirements you want to work in?

    But I would e-mail the State's BON that you plan to work in? Don't bother trying to apply into one state, then try to endorse it over, since you'll have to meet that "new" State's requirements anyways, so just go for whatever State you want settle down in, if it's a State that's not so educational-friendly to your BSN, then just avoid it.

    You just have to the meet the same standards that's required of all USA students.
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  4. Visit  kellieskorner profile page
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    The wa state Bon gave me the names of schools.i did my LPN in the USA.i am a us citizen.i did all my prerecs in USA.completed my bachelor of nursing here in Australia.they will not let me take the two classes I need and no school in the us will let you take just the two classes needed.So it's almost impossible.Then there's the issue the try and tell you you are an international student.It is so frustrating and unfair.Maybe the boards need to look at case by case situations.An ADN can come here and get registered as an RN.i worked hard for my bachelor degree.Just frustrated I will have to be an LPN and my degree counts as nothing.Just a money making scheme
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  5. Visit  kellieskorner profile page
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    So to whine.l'm just a little frustrated especially when CA BON and cgfns get all the money when they know you will be deficient.Maybe the boards should have disclaimers the following countries do not meet min us standards.apply and pay fees with caution.lol
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    Quote from kellieskorner
    So to whine.l'm just a little frustrated especially when CA BON and cgfns get all the money when they know you will be deficient.Maybe the boards should have disclaimers the following countries do not meet min us standards.apply and pay fees with caution.lol
    Yes, we all feel the frustrations and disappointments.

    You can blame our CHED, PRC and PNA for that.

    They've known about the CA BON concurrency requirements, I mean someone on their staff must read the requirements and choose not to abide by them, if they knew over 33% of PH grads head to the CA.

    It's not like it's a recent change in the CA BON rules policy, it's been there since 1987.

    Yes, that's true to pay the fee$ with caution, I think in most application for any States it states to the effect, any application fees are "not refundable". Good luck!
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    Ok, Kuyafern, you here? We're almost right, my friend just got DENIED in FL!! Yep, same old currency issue!!

    She heard that possibly NY may start to enforce the same concurrency, but until that really really happens....we're at 14 States, meaning only 11 more States to start this and it will be half of the Union.
  8. Visit  Kuyafern profile page
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    Hey steppybay, Yeah i'm still here. I haven't been active lately. I'm trying to focus on reviewing. I figured that if I do get an ATT i'll be ready. Can't risk taking the NCLEX and failing and have my cases being reviewed. If it can happen in Ca it can happen almost anywhere these days.

    Yeah our theory is coming true.. It'll be much harder by 2013 March onwards with the incoming 2013 grads. States with over populated nurses and applicants will soon follow the concurrency issue. Jeez now Florida is in this. I'm not surprised though. Just another prediction; Hawaii, New York, and Nevada may be the next in line.

    People still applying in California and won't listen. This state is too overrated. I agree with you when you said, if international graduates do meet the concurrency issue, California will look for new ways just to limit applicants. For instance "you lack hours" "method of teaching does not meet US standards" "lack of certain subjects" "Grades are not satisfactory"

    We're facing rough times and we're in a long road of recovery. 2020. Too long. It may even come to a point where all the states require all international graduates to go back to school.

    Quote from steppybay
    Ok, Kuyafern, you here? We're almost right, my friend just got DENIED in FL!! Yep, same old currency issue!!

    She heard that possibly NY may start to enforce the same concurrency, but until that really really happens....we're at 14 States, meaning only 11 more States to start this and it will be half of the Union.
  9. Visit  riena_pie profile page
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    This is scary I am currently studying out here in Manila with the new curriculum though. And planning to move back to Florida to get my license I still have 3 more yrs to graduateIt sucks that CHED are not doing anything about this except for changing their curriculum.I misght graduate 2016 and most probably the rules or issues about concurrency will be more strict and most or the entire 50 states will do the same thing as CAHow about those students who cant afford US education or doesn't want to loan some money.Or can't put up with all the wait list ****...This is crazy....Thanks for sharing people...
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  10. Visit  kellieskorner profile page
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    Australia may be a better option.you will make way more money in Australia than you can make in the usa
  11. Visit  Ginger's Mom profile page
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    If you have the right to live in the usa,want to work in the usa, go to school in the usa. Work as CNA, go to school part time, go to school one year and become a LPN. State schools are reasonably priced, if you parents can not afford to help you will get financial aide.
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    Quote from riena_pie
    This is scary I am currently studying out here in Manila with the new curriculum though. And planning to move back to Florida to get my license I still have 3 more yrs to graduateIt sucks that CHED are not doing anything about this except for changing their curriculum.I misght graduate 2016 and most probably the rules or issues about concurrency will be more strict and most or the entire 50 states will do the same thing as CAHow about those students who cant afford US education or doesn't want to loan some money.Or can't put up with all the wait list ****...This is crazy....Thanks for sharing people...
    Well, supposely the CHED and the others (PRC and PNA) have finally decided to meet with the USA's minimum educational requirements recently, as it's not just CA needing this, but several other States. They also are already now making the neccesary changes/

    But I worry as it seems like there are those in these "new" curriculum are merely adding a few more hundred of class hours, but I just read where some applicant is now getting denied for having "excessive" hours, meaning I think CHED thinks by allowing more hours it will offset the concurrency or lack of certain clinical hours in certain courses.

    But I don't know if they know what they are doing or thinking this will "cure" the problem. I still think the problem is the current students now that will not qualify to do their clinical and theoratical courses in the same exact semester that is mandatory in the State's evaluation will passed over for the newer classes. Therefore, the students are now lead to believe, the PH problem will be a thing of the past.

    I've said this once and I will go on record again, that I still do not trust the 3 big nursing powers to be (CHED, PRC and PNA) to meet the many State's BON requirements, I could be wrong and if so, I will stand corrected.

    With that said, let's hope that you newer generation of PH nurses are in a better world, with the full understanding that if what's been said in the various articles posted, the US job market for PH nurses and students will be very tough (at least until 2020) as you're competing with US nursing grads and nurses who have top priority over any foreign applicants and more preferences to hire those US students who have completed their clinicals in the same hospital many PH students are after.

    The US is graduating more of their own students than years before.

    I can only understand your frustration with the waiting list, but just keep in mind that while you're able to get in a college in the Phils, pay way less money, you may also face the opposite come time to look for that first new grad job.

    If say you had a cousin or friend and you both started school in the same year, but you went to PH and the other person went to school in the States, I would bet the family cow that upon graduation, they would get hired much quicker than you and probably in a better job position. By quicker I mean, you could be 2 years or more still looking, if any jobs are able to come your way. That's the way I see the real world today and in the near future.
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    Quote from Kuyafern
    Hey steppybay, Yeah i'm still here. I haven't been active lately. I'm trying to focus on reviewing. I figured that if I do get an ATT i'll be ready. Can't risk taking the NCLEX and failing and have my cases being reviewed. If it can happen in Ca it can happen almost anywhere these days.

    Yeah our theory is coming true.. It'll be much harder by 2013 March onwards with the incoming 2013 grads. States with over populated nurses and applicants will soon follow the concurrency issue. Jeez now Florida is in this. I'm not surprised though. Just another prediction; Hawaii, New York, and Nevada may be the next in line.

    People still applying in California and won't listen. This state is too overrated. I agree with you when you said, if international graduates do meet the concurrency issue, California will look for new ways just to limit applicants. For instance "you lack hours" "method of teaching does not meet US standards" "lack of certain subjects" "Grades are not satisfactory"

    We're facing rough times and we're in a long road of recovery. 2020. Too long. It may even come to a point where all the states require all international graduates to go back to school.
    Yep, I agree with you, I have told several friends and their friends (batch 2011 and 2012, different schools) that applied into CA are not listening and telling them it's a waste of time and money, so just this weekend, 9 of them all got their rejection letters, one who months ago said that she will have NO problems at all, she was told that her school did meet 100% of the CA BON issues. She got her answer this Saturday in the mail, denied. Well, nothing we can do and let them try with the understanding don't hold your breath and prepare to still take the NCLEX just not in CA (or the other affected States).

    I mentioned earlier about the "lack of hours" you so said and that the CHED has increased some classes to have a new 350 plus hours, but I think it's in the wrong courses as they are already some students reporting they are getting denied due to "excessive hours", meaning they (the PH nursing agencies) are allocating the wrong hours in the wrong classes. The State's BONs are not stupid, but I can tell you who is responsible for not understanding the minimum educational requirements of the USA. PH agencies STOP fooling with the students! Get your XXXX together!
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    We know that NV is also enforcing the concurrency rules as someone just got their rejection letter and posted in the forum. However, I think it may depend on your school's transcript and whether or not you did complete them with success.

    I'm reminded of another PH grad who was denied her ATT in CA this year, but recently got her ATT in NV, passed the NCLEX and just got a job as nurse in NV, happy days for her You guys can read her threads by clicking on her name. I hope you don't mind, starleviosa, lol.

    So it may be that while NV is now on the concurrency list and depends on your school's records, it is possible to become a USRN.


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