NP's and docs - page 3

I have read a LOT of distain from doctors and medical students when it comes to the NP profession. I'm not sure what kind of graduate program I want to do yet but I am worried about NP because I... Read More

  1. by   jeepgirl
    Quote from patnshan
    Ask these same people what they think of PA's?

    If they say the same thing, then they have a God complex.

    If they say they like PA's, I would guess it is one of the two things I listed in my previous post.

    Pat
    They like PA's. Because, in their statements, they say that they know how to be "subservient."
    They have mastered the same priniciples as a three year old. be subservient, and get what you want. NP's, on the other hand, are to independant and therefore none of them (at least on that board) wish to hire them... unless of course, they are cheaper than a PA.
  2. by   patnshan
    Quote from jeepgirl
    They like PA's. Because, in their statements, they say that they know how to be "subservient."
    They have mastered the same priniciples as a three year old. be subservient, and get what you want. NP's, on the other hand, are to independant and therefore none of them (at least on that board) wish to hire them... unless of course, they are cheaper than a PA.
    I don't know of any docs who refer to us as subservient, but I'll bite. I have heard terms such as "collegial" for PA's versus "adversarial" for NP's from docs I work around.

    You sound a bit bitter. The 3 year old comment speaks loads about you, the poster. I won't even address that with a comment.

    Because of supply and demand, NP's in certain areas may be a little "cheaper", as you say. Some areas of the country have NP schools on every corner, churning out hundreds per year. Keep that up and salaries and job opportunities will go down. When you increase production, there is a risk that quality will go down.

    NP's strive for independence, which is precisely the reason the docs you speak of will not hire them. "Adversarial" works here too. I bet that group you speak of would agree with that choice of words too.

    Bottom line, most NP's do not strive for this. The nursing lobby is ruining it for those people. Wake up an smell the coffee before it's too late.

    Pat
  3. by   patnshan
    Quote from cgfnp
    Ding ding ding ding... ladies and gentleman we have a winna winna winna winna!!!!
    I think obesity and the failure to take responsibility for one's health does contribute to our poor health status as a country. Obviously, lack of access and lack of insurance for the working poor are other problems.

    Pat
  4. by   jeepgirl
    Quote from patnshan
    I don't know of any docs who refer to us as subservient, but I'll bite. I have heard terms such as "collegial" for PA's versus "adversarial" for NP's from docs I work around.

    You sound a bit bitter. The 3 year old comment speaks loads about you, the poster. I won't even address that with a comment.

    Because of supply and demand, NP's in certain areas may be a little "cheaper", as you say. Some areas of the country have NP schools on every corner, churning out hundreds per year. Keep that up and salaries and job opportunities will go down. When you increase production, there is a risk that quality will go down.

    NP's strive for independence, which is precisely the reason the docs you speak of will not hire them. "Adversarial" works here too. I bet that group you speak of would agree with that choice of words too.

    Bottom line, most NP's do not strive for this. The nursing lobby is ruining it for those people. Wake up an smell the coffee before it's too late.

    Pat
    Pat,
    The three year old comment was made by a poster on a thread I was discussing and getting so hot over. I see now that I was jumping between two threads on this forum that reference and spoke about the same subject material. Now that I re-read my post, I guess I did not highlight that and that I was speaking about a post on a different thread! Sorry.

    The quote I was reading was on studentdoctor.com... I followed the link provided an allnurses.com thread to this yummy tidbit: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=180208. The post that got me so hot was on page #2, post #26.

    I think it's pretty offensive to PA's myself. I guess I didn't make myself clear... my post wasn't meant to bash PA's. Actually, every PA I have had the chance to meet has been great. I've actually been debating with myself that if I want to go on, which do I want... NP or PA?
    Last edit by jeepgirl on Apr 15, '05
  5. by   spaniel
    I know this is a pretty generic question. It's with regard to statements referencing a potential glut in NPs. I've got well over 17 years in my specialty (psych) and am considering a psych NP- got accepted,etc. But I'm having some real concerns re the job outlook. Sure I know it varies with the area
    but I'd be curious if anyone has any recent experiences/ or major difficulties finding DECENT work. I have no intention of seeing a gazillion patients a day for bucks. (Too old/ perhaps too wise for that!!) I'm looking for a good quality of life too, and hope to spare my mental health as I provide for others. Any response welcome!!
  6. by   zenman
    Quote from cgfnp
    No, I'm not. But thanks for reminding me why I stay away from self titling 'nurse educators'.
    LOL. Now you're wrong X 2. You're still uninformed and yes, I was an Assistant Professor... Northwestern State University. :chuckle
    Last edit by zenman on Apr 16, '05
  7. by   jeepgirl
    Quote from spaniel
    I know this is a pretty generic question. It's with regard to statements referencing a potential glut in NPs. I've got well over 17 years in my specialty (psych) and am considering a psych NP- got accepted,etc. But I'm having some real concerns re the job outlook. Sure I know it varies with the area
    but I'd be curious if anyone has any recent experiences/ or major difficulties finding DECENT work. I have no intention of seeing a gazillion patients a day for bucks. (Too old/ perhaps too wise for that!!) I'm looking for a good quality of life too, and hope to spare my mental health as I provide for others. Any response welcome!!
    The outlook for a psych NP is very bright. There's a huge demand right now that isn't being meet. I would have no hesitations about going into this field if I were you...
  8. by   tennp
    field, which is neonatology. each place will be different, and maybe each field is different. in the NICU, we have more of a team approach, and i like to work in this manner.

    as a neonatal nurse practitioner, i know many things very well, and i feel my knowledge is respected and i am allowed to be independent with these things. when i don't feel comfortable with something, it is nice to be able to talk it over with my attending. it works both ways like this in my experience. many times if one of my attendings is having trouble with something, say an LP or an intubation, line placement, whatever.....they have never had any problem saying so and asking me to do it. same goes for me. if they are doing a workup of some sort, and i think something else should be added, i just say so, and have always gotten *hey! thanks...i didn't think of that.* if i have to do a workup for some strange disease or feel i'm in over my head with a baby, i just call them up and ask them for their advice/expertise, even at 3 am. they tell me, and never make me feel inferior for asking. if i feel uncomfortable with a patient in the NICU at, say, 4 am, all i have to do is make a phone call, ask them to come, and they will be there right beside me in no time. if i think an attending is wrong about something, i just say so and i speak my mind and am listened to. My attendings tell me all the time that they are **so thankful** for NNPs in the NICU. We make their lives easier, and they work with us to make sure we are happy and taken care of.

    bottomline is that i am pretty independent and it is up to me to ask for help when needed. i never hesitate to do so....i usually think 2 heads are better than one, and the patient benefits from this. I don't find all the attitude and competition in my field so far, but i have heard some nightmares. I think it varies, but just wanted to share my positive experience with MDs.
    Last edit by tennp on Apr 26, '05
  9. by   foxyhill21
    Are the NNP in demand now, b/e I have heard a lot of information about this side of nursing. Another thing I am so tried of hearing about the NP vs. PA or NP vs. MD. If u want to be a PA just do it!!! If you want to be a MD just do it!!! If you want to be a NP just do it!!! In every profession you are going to found some pros and cons. So who cares which profession that people think is higher or better. It is all about YYOOUU, what ever your heart desires, do what u love the most. IT is too many people working at places b/e of the$$$. Do something in life that u like. Do not allow the world to choose your destiny, CHOOSE YOUR OWN destiny. Life is too short to be worried about minor issues as this. Every profession is wonderful as long as the person enjoys what they do.
  10. by   tennp
    i recommend you research it as much as possible first. you can send me a pm if you want more info.

    Quote from foxyhill21
    Are the NNP in demand now, b/e I have heard a lot of information about this side of nursing. Another thing I am so tried of hearing about the NP vs. PA or NP vs. MD. If u want to be a PA just do it!!! If you want to be a MD just do it!!! If you want to be a NP just do it!!! In every profession you are going to found some pros and cons. So who cares which profession that people think is higher or better. It is all about YYOOUU, what ever your heart desires, do what u love the most. IT is too many people working at places b/e of the$$$. Do something in life that u like. Do not allow the world to choose your destiny, CHOOSE YOUR OWN destiny. Life is too short to be worried about minor issues as this. Every profession is wonderful as long as the person enjoys what they do.
    Last edit by tennp on Apr 26, '05
  11. by   cgfnp
    Quote from zenman
    LOL. Now you're wrong X 2. You're still uninformed and yes, I was an Assistant Professor... Northwestern State University. :chuckle
    You say that as if you believe what you say has any bearing whatsoever on anything. Now THAT'S funny. The only conclusion I can draw from your posts is that you are fat.

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