NP w/no desire for RN? - page 8

Well, not so much NO desire...but are there any NP's out there that wanted to become (and had their sights set on being an NP from day 1) an NP with no real 'drive' to be an RN first? My cousin is... Read More

  1. by   button2cute
    No, NO, NO, NO,

    We are not having this issue on the thread. You are entitle to your opinion and when your opinion is rude, ignorant and discriminated....it should not be said. I do not think you should even go there. Where are the moderators? This sucks, it is a day before we give thanks and you are starting crap. I realize it was not just you and others are involve. WHo gives you the right to make that statement? I need to breath....and a Time out.....
  2. by   zenman
    Quote from sandiixx
    wow how long did it take you to get where you are now?:bowingpur
    doesn't matter...the journey is the reward, not the destination! i am, of course....zenman.

    Quote from kshoe
    i was an rn for 32 years before i went to np school and i am now a certified np. the diagnosis i make along with management and evaluation of patients almost always reflect past experiences as a rn. you must practice as a rn before you can be a competent np. i wouldn't trade those 32 years for anything, not even becoming a np years ago. my rn experience truly makes me a more credible np. plus the salary isn't that much more than that of a rn. if you practice in a rural area, you have to depend on your past rn experiences in order to practice safe np care.
    oh, my goodness! another voice of reason tempered by real life experience! you have more experience than me and as such, i salute you!

    Quote from prairienp
    my heart wants to agree with you, but the "research" suggests little to no difference in performance after completion of a np program using years of experience as the independent variable.
    i'd like to see the link to this just for the amusement value. we're all aware of the damage done in the name of "empirical" research.

    Quote from button2cute
    no, no, no, no,

    we are not having this issue on the thread. you are entitle to your opinion and when your opinion is rude, ignorant and discriminated....it should not be said. i do not think you should even go there. where are the moderators? this sucks, it is a day before we give thanks and you are starting crap. i realize it was not just you and others are involve. who gives you the right to make that statement? i need to breath....and a time out.....
    now, cutie don't let her push your buttons, she is correct. obesity is a big problem across the board. i didn't take it as rude, etc.. and it is thanksgiving where we are allowed to stuff ourselves into oblivion! might i suggest meditation?
  3. by   button2cute
    I do not understand people. This post is about an individual who was expressing his thoughts and asked for assistance about his concern/thoughts. Pinoy, was looking for positive feedback about the nursing experiences going into the nurse practitioner profession. Numerous of people gave their thoughts and opinions about his concern and thoughts. Therefore, it was a successful thread that stimulated communications by everyone who participated.

    Now, we have several post busters on the thread and it is very distasteful. If anyone cannot address the issue on the thread than start another thread about your concerns and issues. Do not come into this thread and destroy it by your bashing. It is disrespectful to those who are addressing the issue and to the individual who began this thread. If you really need to express yourself, please make your own thread and not do it here. Learn to be respectful to others as well as to yourself. Therefore, start your thread and voice it in a constructive way and ignorance does not get you any where in our society today.

    Because one who throws stones seem to be living in a glass house as well. Every one should not throw stones toward any houses at all. Remember you may have issues that another person may address in a negative way towards you. Therefore, you can see your reflection in the house that you are destroying.

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  4. by   button2cute
    Zenman,

    I am trying to be positive and it is down right rude. There are other areas in the forum for them to post their concerns and issues. Being negative do not help the situation or their point concerning the issue. They can make a thread in the appropriate area and not bash someone's thread. I am so fed up with the disrepect.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you,
    Buttons
  5. by   jhoonk
    well, I have to say something, I think it relates to this thread
    because the RN experience before NP program is influenced by
    those obese old abusive nurses too. I work 3-12 hr shifts as
    ER tech and get all kinds of s*** from nasty nurses. It's ok,
    it's my job to take care of them, doing IVs, monitor pts, when
    they sit around and gossip. I do plan to attend NP program
    sometime so I watch the flow as much as I can, from triage
    to Ax, Lab, Dx, Tx, and to admission or D/C. But until I apply
    critical thinking and start to do decision-making, I know what
    I try to learn is limited. I see many things though. And one of
    the valuable lessons is the networking. There are so many interactions
    among many levels of care, docs, RNs, techs, CT techs,
    on-call docs, etc. Learning how these things work would help
    a lot doing NP duties in the future. It is something that
    a book or school cannot teach.

    I had one of those obese abusive RN, gone out to smoke outside,
    while I was doing EKGs and found pt SVT-ing, a doctor and another
    RN laughing at my EKG because the lines were swaying
    like spagettie, took 5 minutes to have another doctor pay
    attention to the EKG and finally start Tx-ing the pt.

    Health care is people care. That people include health care providers
    also. Unless we the providers care ourselves and chasten each
    other, the whole health care system would go down much
    faster.

    Amitai.
  6. by   GenaRN
    I don't know where you live, but not having clinical experience is going to hinder your ability to get a decent job, as more people take the same route you are. Believe me, in Texas there aren't tons of openings for NP and you don't see a lot of independent practitioners, so I actually have 3 advanced practice RN's working for me on the stepdown unit I supervise. Two are CNS's and one NP, all went straight through RN-grad school, but have no clinical experience, so the can't find jobs in their advanced practice roles. It might be very different where you live, but it's something to consider. They'll eventually get jobs, once they get experience, but had they gone the "traditional route" they might have been more satisified, not working "beneath" their level of education. This isn't usually a problem with CRNA's because they still require 2 years, as far as I know, of critical care experience and the world needs more anesthesia !!
  7. by   button2cute
    Quote from jhoonk

    A)I think it relates to this thread
    because the RN experience before NP program is influenced by
    those obese old abusive nurses too.
    A2)I had one of those obese abusive RN, gone out to smoke outside.
    A3)Health care is people care. That people include health care providers
    also. Unless we the providers care ourselves and chasten each
    other, the whole health care system would go down much
    faster.
    (The above does not apply to theme of the thread. Resolution - begin a thread concerning your issue.)

    B)I work 3-12 hr shifts as
    ER tech and get all kinds of s*** from nasty nurses.
    B2)while I was doing EKGs and found pt SVT-ing, a doctor and another
    RN laughing at my EKG because the lines were swaying
    like spagettie, took 5 minutes to have another doctor pay
    attention to the EKG and finally start Tx-ing the pt.
    B3)when they sit around and gossip.
    (The above does not apply to the theme of the thread. Resolution - begin a threading concerning this issue.)

    D))I do plan to attend NP program sometime so I watch the flow as much as I can, from triage to Ax, Lab, Dx, Tx, and to admission or D/C. I apply
    critical thinking and start to do decision-making.
    D2) I know what I try to learn is limited. I see many things though. And one of the valuable lessons is the networking. There are so many interactions
    among many levels of care, docs, RNs, techs, CT techs,
    on-call docs, etc. Learning how these things work would help
    a lot doing NP duties in the future. It is something that
    a book or school cannot teach.
    (The above does apply to theme by stating your opinion of experience will enhance your knowledge, education, skills and most important critical thinking.)

    Amitai.
    Hello, Amitai
    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

    This thread is not about a health care applied to the provide. It does not show experience or no experience as a rn going into the nurse practitioner program at all. As I stated above it is bashing and off the topic of this thread. Anyone can begin a thread concerning any issue that would provide positive criticism and a resolution. In your post the description of the nurse practitioner does not show the theme of this thread at all. Your post reveals other issues that are concerning to you. 1) Lack of respect for you as an ER tech. 2) Lack of respect by your patient and medical personnel. 3) The negative attitudes by medical personnel due to the lack of education and skills of ER techs. 4) The lack of communication by medical personnel and ER Techs. Those are some of the issues that I derive from your post.

    In addition, part of the post spoke about your experience in the ER and the desire to continue your education of becoming an NP. Before, you can become a NP, one must become a nurse and the issue is the experience or no experience to attend nurse practitioner program. This shows the theme of the thread. Therefore, the theme and your thoughts/concerning experience or no experience prior attending a nurse practioner program is experience
    would be necessary to be successful according to your post.

    Any one can develop a thread on the site and reveal an issue that is concerning as well as to provide a resolution to the issue.

    Have a Safe and exciting day with your family and friends.

    Buttons
  8. by   Selke
    Quote from prairienp
    [font='times new roman']one of the reasons mds have and nps don't have an internship is $$$$. the residency for mds is paid by your tax dollars. nps are not eligible for the same program. all residents, no matter where they graduated from (us or outside us) receive their salaries from the us government via our tax dollars. wouldn't it be great if nps could take a year after graduation to hone their skills and receive a modest salary under the direction of a residency program.
    thanks for this info. i'm not aware of how residency programs are funded. is this true in every program?

    indulge me this bit of speculation ....
    makes me wonder -- i've read that fewer med students are going into ob and that ob residencies are going unfilled in some places. i know cnm's scope of practice is "more limited than" an md, but wouldn't it be nice if some leeway was given to "allow" cnm grads to fill some of those first year residency positions, which are primarily l&d and clinic, not surgery (learning to be a surgical first assist could be incorporated into this year ...) ?

    and given that aprns are overtaking primary care from mds, who are specializing more and more -- more of them are "allowed" into primary care residencies, at least for a year?

    happy thanksgiving to all, esp those of you who are working today!
  9. by   zenman
    Quote from jhoonk
    I work 3-12 hr shifts as
    ER tech and get all kinds of s*** from nasty nurses. It's ok,
    it's my job to take care of them, doing IVs, monitor pts, when
    they sit around and gossip. I do plan to attend NP program
    sometime so I watch the flow as much as I can, from triage
    to Ax, Lab, Dx, Tx, and to admission or D/C. But until I apply
    critical thinking and start to do decision-making, I know what
    I try to learn is limited. I see many things though.
    You willhave bad apples everywhere you go. Just keep learning all you can. One thing I did as a new trauma nurse was to read everything I could get my hands on...even outside my scope of practice, such as interpretation of xrays, etc.. I'd try to second guess what was going to be done on every patient and why. Couple of my friends did the same thing and the trauma chief asked them to stop ordering labs and tests so his residents could learn something, lol! :chuckle
  10. by   brownrice
    Button2cute:

    I am not trying to "bash" anyone, rather I am telling it like it is. Having worked in several different healthcare settings, I have made the general observation that especially in the hospital setting, there is a problem with RN's being overweight, eating junk all the time, having an extremely negative attitide, and being rude. Oh, I forgot smoking. How many people have ever driven past a hospital and seen the nurses in the back by the dumpster "having a smoke". Hmmmm...real good image for a healthcare institution. Nevertheless, you see it all the time, at any given time, any place in the US.

    With all due respect Button, if we cannot express our views freely, we no longer live in a democratic society. And, as we in the US have learned, we are all better people for being able to express our viewpoint so that we may all be the better for it.

    There is an epidemic of diabetes and heart disease in the US. Our own healthcare institutions need to take some responsibility in modeling healthy behaviours, starting with its largest and most visible employee base....its nurses! Better yet, as healers, how about we take the responsibility to step up the plate on our own? Such a large part of our job is serving as a teacher to our patient. As for the mind, it has been proven that patients will heal better in positive environs. How does this obese nurse who's cranky because she needs "a smoke break" help to heal the patient?

    PS. I will take a walk today, eat a healthful dinner and give thanks. I recognize that it is my responsiblity to be healthy...for myself, my family, my coworkers and patients. We are only as strong as our weakest link.
  11. by   mollysn
    Happy Thanksgiving everyone-especially those who will be spending thanksgiving with thier friends at work! I am a nursing student and will graduate December 2006. I am in an accelerated BSN program and we have the option of beginning the MSN program our last semester. I am pondering the same question right now. I do want to be a nurse but my heart is set on being a NP. I am thinking about starting early and going straight through but I might start August 2006. Nursing school so stressful and I can't imagine adding graduate course work to the load, I have a 6 y.o. son and I work as a Clinical Associate. At my school you can start the theory courses early but you have to have a liscence to do clinicals. Nursing is such a dynamic field and I am so thankful to the many career paths it offers.
  12. by   Simba&NalasMom
    I'm not going to take sides on the "thread-busting" issue, but I do have a suggestion that the LPN moderator posted:

    If a subject comes up that is not directly related to the point of the original post, start a new thread so that it's easier for others to follow the original post.

    I think the point about nurses caring for their own health is a great topic for discussion and I think it deserves its own thread.

    Happy Thanksgiving!
  13. by   button2cute
    Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone

    Brown,
    I am not saying that your post is not appropriate at all. I am saying that your post should be place in a thread that express your concerns or you can begin a thread about healthy health care personnel. This is a thread concerning a student who would like to become a np without the desire of being a RN. The student is trying to stimulate feedback from everyone about going into a NP program without practicing as a RN. He never mention in his post about healthy lifestyles for health care professionals. It is about experience or not experience going into NP school. Therefore, your concerns for healthy lifestyles can be the beginning of a new thread and not in this thread.

    Express yourself and concerns as well as resolutions to the issues that are display in your own thread. Then you can receive responses from anyone who would like to voice their thoughts and opinions. Therefore, your voice will be heard loudly and clearly about the healthy lifestyle of health care workers.

    Have a great Thanksgiving, Brownrice.......

    As million of people in our society will have a healthy meal as you will. In addition, numerous of people in our society will have the best meal for their budget and those who are homeless may not have the healthy meal as you and others today. Therefore, society has not be equal to everyone and those who are able to have a great thanksgiving dinner please remember someone is going hungry.

    Buttons

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