NP w/no desire for RN? - page 5

Well, not so much NO desire...but are there any NP's out there that wanted to become (and had their sights set on being an NP from day 1) an NP with no real 'drive' to be an RN first? My cousin is... Read More

  1. by   AlexCCRN
    Pinyoy, name a responsible profession in which practical experience and measured competency isn't a prerequisite for advancement. Thankfully, reputable nursing schools rarely accept candidates for NP who have little or no RN experience.
  2. by   button2cute
    Hello, All

    I would respectively disagree with your statement. There are universities/colleges that will accept him.

    So, what do you think about the physician assistant's school? Numerous of the students did not have health care experience and they are doing well.

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  3. by   DidiRN
    As someone else on this thread has already mentioned, they have alot more clinical hours than an NP program.



    Quote from button2cute
    Hello, All

    I would respectively disagree with your statement. There are universities/colleges that will accept him.

    So, what do you think about the physician assistant's school? Numerous of the students did not have health care experience and they are doing well.

    Buttons
  4. by   brownrice
    Regarding PA clinical hours: Consider that RN's must first attain clinical undergraduate hours, then NP clinical hours. PA's aren't required to have undergraduate clinical hours. So, when you combine undergrad+grad hours for NP's, then compare with PA's, there ain't that much of a difference.

    And if there were, you certainly wouldn't see employers requesting either a PA or NP simultaneously in their help wanted ads. They want a midlevel who knows what they are doing. If both an NP and PA pass their respective boards, work well with patients, have a desire to help people, does it really matter if the NP spent some time emptying urinals, switching IV bags, and passing pills?
  5. by   DidiRN
    Quote from brownrice
    If both an NP and PA pass their respective boards, work well with patients, have a desire to help people, does it really matter if the NP spent some time emptying urinals, switching IV bags, and passing pills?
    I do quite a bit more than that where I work at, besides those 3 things you mention.
  6. by   zenman
    Quote from AlexCCRN
    Pinyoy, name a responsible profession in which practical experience and measured competency isn't a prerequisite for advancement. Thankfully, reputable nursing schools rarely accept candidates for NP who have little or no RN experience.
    My goodness...so much spoke so well in such few words.

    I remember those military ads where kids fresh out of school but with no experience could not get a job as no one wanted to hire them...but the military would...get some experience here!
  7. by   zenman
    Quote from button2cute
    So, what do you think about the physician assistant's school? Numerous of the students did not have health care experience and they are doing well.

    Buttons
    The question is not how well the students/PAs/NPs with no experience did...it's how well their patients did! Many can die during that learning/experience curve!
  8. by   button2cute
    Hello, all,

    It does not matter what we think. What matters is what Pinoy thinks. It is his decision and being negative is not being informative at all. Presenting the information and explaining it by showing the pro and cons would be more effective than any negativity. Therefore, it really does not help by being negativw and showing your opinion without fact.

    In conclusion, all we can do is to wait and see where Pinoy goes with his choices in a profression that is well respected by patients, nurses and in the medical community. We all may choose different ways to obtain our goals and no one can tell you that you will not be able to reach your goals. You chose to pursue them even more and to shoe people you can do it. So, allow Pinoy to chose as we all did at one time or another in our life.

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  9. by   patnshan
    Quote from brownrice
    Regarding PA clinical hours: Consider that RN's must first attain clinical undergraduate hours, then NP clinical hours. PA's aren't required to have undergraduate clinical hours. So, when you combine undergrad+grad hours for NP's, then compare with PA's, there ain't that much of a difference.
    This is a common arguement with no basis. NP's and PA's are clinician's who are required to make medical decisions about patients. RN's do not and are not trained to do that. Pre-training clinical hours do not substitute for in-training clinical hours.

    With that, I will say that going through nursing school did help me with PA school but in no way substituted for the knowledge gained on clinical rotations.

    Quote from brownrice
    They want a midlevel who knows what they are doing. If both an NP and PA pass their respective boards, work well with patients, have a desire to help people, does it really matter if the NP spent some time emptying urinals, switching IV bags, and passing pills?
    This is correct. I think this conclusion is correct, but is drawn from misinformation. It is that these employers see "midlevel providers" as one type on entity. I think most of them do not know the differences in the training. Emptying urinals does not give one ANY useful experience about how to diagnose or treat disease

    Pat, PA-C, MPAS, RN
  10. by   rn/writer
    Quote from button2cute
    Hello, all,

    It does not matter what we think. What matters is what Pinoy thinks. It is his decision and being negative is not being informative at all. Presenting the information and explaining it by showing the pro and cons would be more effective than any negativity. Therefore, it really does not help by being negativw and showing your opinion without fact.

    In conclusion, all we can do is to wait and see where Pinoy goes with his choices in a profression that is well respected by patients, nurses and in the medical community. We all may choose different ways to obtain our goals and no one can tell you that you will not be able to reach your goals. You chose to pursue them even more and to shoe people you can do it. So, allow Pinoy to chose as we all did at one time or another in our life.

    Buttons
    I agree with much of what you said, but he did ask for our opinions.
  11. by   zenman
    Quote from rn/writer
    I agree with much of what you said, but he did ask for our opinions.
    Yes, and we did right by telling the negatives and positives...based on our experience of course. In a decision-making process I'm perhaps more interested in the negatives than the positives.
  12. by   zenman
    Quote from patnshan
    Emptying urinals does not give one ANY useful experience about how to diagnose or treat disease
    Pat, PA-C, MPAS, RN
    Now Pat, you know that if you pour some urine on the doorstep overnight and the ants attack it by morning that the person is a diabetic.

    And didn't you hear about the medical school professor who was lecturing to the students about how you could taste urine and tell if a patient was diabetic? He stuck his finger in the urine then stuck his finger in his mouth. He then passed the urine around to all his student who of course followed his example. However, the professor stuck one finger in the urine and a different finger in his mouth
  13. by   button2cute
    The story was gross..or the joke was gross and of course, no urine was in the cup he passed around...if urine was in the cup than he would had been sue.

    Warp sense of humor:wink2:

    There goes to show you what students would do for a grade.....gross

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