NP w/no desire for RN? - page 16

Well, not so much NO desire...but are there any NP's out there that wanted to become (and had their sights set on being an NP from day 1) an NP with no real 'drive' to be an RN first? My cousin is... Read More

  1. by   zenman
    Quote from elkpark
    Um ... All MDs do have doctorates (also DOs) -- An MD is a doctoral degree ... (Hint -- that's why they're callled "doctors" ...)
    It's a "clinical doctorate" not a real doctorate like Ph.D.s:chuckle
  2. by   krisssy
    I finally started my online masters program in psychiatric nursing. It leads to a psychiatric nurse practitioner degree. I have been doing well in the class ans really enjoying it UNTIL yesterday. Now, I admit I am a very sensitive person. BUT this nurse in my group made a comment that really upset me. She is a manager of a geropsychiatric hospital and sounds like she has a whole load of experience. Anyhow, we all had to give our biographies before starting the course for everyone to read. So yesterday, she states that she thinks it is awful and ridiculous for nurses to be in a course of study such as we are in who have no med surg experience and no psych experience. She said that this program is for RN's with BS degrees who have first done med surg and then done psychiatric nursing.
    She doesn't see how a nurse can go straight into this psychiatric nurse practitioners program. If anyone hasn't heard my story, feel free to ask me, but most of you have heard it over and over. I realize that some of you agree with her and some don't. Would a direct entry program, where I have to relearn the basics be better for me? At 58, I don't have time to work 10 years in med surg and 10 years in psych and then go for my psych nurse practitioners degree. Should I just forget the whole thing? Honestly am I an idiot for thinking I can do this? My advisor in the school says it is fine and that I will learn everything in the school. Some of you have already given me your opinions. You can repeat them if you feel like it, or I could use some new opinions. Yesterday I was all into this course feeling so happy and excited. Today I feel like maybe I am doing the wrong thing. What do you think? By the way I think this particular nurse is very outspoken. She made a comment to another nurse that she is still waiting to hear her ideas on what health was insinuating that she didn't do the assignment . Krisssy
  3. by   Selke
    Quote from krisssy
    I finally started my online masters program in psychiatric nursing. It leads to a psychiatric nurse practitioner degree. I have been doing well in the class ans really enjoying it UNTIL yesterday. Now, I admit I am a very sensitive person. BUT this nurse in my group made a comment that really upset me. She is a manager of a geropsychiatric hospital and sounds like she has a whole load of experience. Anyhow, we all had to give our biographies before starting the course for everyone to read. So yesterday, she states that she thinks it is awful and ridiculous for nurses to be in a course of study such as we are in who have no med surg experience and no psych experience. She said that this program is for RN's with BS degrees who have first done med surg and then done psychiatric nursing.
    She doesn't see how a nurse can go straight into this psychiatric nurse practitioners program. .... Krisssy

    Krissy, shut this lady out and forget her. She's full of sh**. You will find this kind of rudeness everywhere. Did anyone else in the group counter her argument? How is the group responding? Instead of doubting yourself, why not go on the offensive. Look at this as as a psychiatric "exercise" in how you would handle yourself in such a situation, how you would acknowledge her point of view, present alternative points of view, and agree to disagree with her.

    I think your self-doubts would clear up if you'd find a real-world, meat-space nursing refresher program, either at a local school of nursing or hospital, and get reacquainted with floor nursing. You gave the excuse of not doing this as you have to spend part of your life in Florida every year -- you need to rethink that and tell your husband you can't spend the entire 6 months of every year with him. Or find a program in Florida and spend more than 6 months of the year there. You have to prioritize your life and goals and make a decision. This involves compromising other areas of life.
  4. by   zenman
    Quote from krisssy
    I finally started my online masters program in psychiatric nursing. It leads to a psychiatric nurse practitioner degree. I have been doing well in the class ans really enjoying it UNTIL yesterday. Now, I admit I am a very sensitive person. BUT this nurse in my group made a comment that really upset me. Krisssy
    Well here you have another example of the benefits of online learning...you don't have to look at this person, LOL!
  5. by   button2cute
    Hello, All

    Krissy, do not lower yourself to this woman. Obviously, she has a personality of an angry bull. She just is expressing herself and using projection mechanism on you. She is upset because the times have now change and she was not given the opportunities as they are given out today. Her gripe is with the nursing board. Use psychology on her.
    I would say please express your concerns and I understand you are feeling angry of the rules and changes in the nursing career. Tell us how would you resolve this issue? Do you feel threaten of the new changes in nursing? Is change hard for you to accept? How can I help you? or How can we help you through this difficult time?
    I would not belittle her in my responses to her or argue with her. I would put on my psyche sweat suit and hit the timer. I would not get swallow into her issues or concerns. I would address her with caution and speak clearly to her. In addition, I would take her negativity and use it as my energy to do well in my classes and think positive each day.
    Therefore, you know that you cannot feed into her negativity because it will hinder your goals as a student and to be a psyche np.

    Buttons
  6. by   krisssy
    Quote from button2cute
    Hello, All

    Krissy, do not lower yourself to this woman. Obviously, she has a personality of an angry bull. She just is expressing herself and using projection mechanism on you. She is upset because the times have now change and she was not given the opportunities as they are given out today. Her gripe is with the nursing board. Use psychology on her.
    I would say please express your concerns and I understand you are feeling angry of the rules and changes in the nursing career. Tell us how would you resolve this issue? Do you feel threaten of the new changes in nursing? Is change hard for you to accept? How can I help you? or How can we help you through this difficult time?
    I would not belittle her in my responses to her or argue with her. I would put on my psyche sweat suit and hit the timer. I would not get swallow into her issues or concerns. I would address her with caution and speak clearly to her. In addition, I would take her negativity and use it as my energy to do well in my classes and think positive each day.
    Therefore, you know that you cannot feed into her negativity because it will hinder your goals as a student and to be a psyche np.

    Buttons
    Well first I got sucked in and replied with something defensive like I am trying to get a job as a nurse extender in med surg to learn and what am I to do at my age blah blah blah. She did not reply. So now I wrote her exactly what you told me to say. Let's see what her response is. Oh my! She will be shocked. No one else in my group has said anything, because there has not been much group discussion. One gal never talks, one is in the army and gets called away, and one has five small kids and works. I will let you both know what she says. Thank you all for boosting my low self esteem. Oh and guess what? My essay was picked by the professor as the best essay in the group and was posted. i get an extra point on my APA quiz which I haven't even attempted yet. Wait till she sees that! Krisssy BTW, my advisor says you were accepted , because this is where you are going to learn everything you need to know to be a psychiatric nurse practitioner. This is a new concept for a lot of nurses to undersatand or accept.
  7. by   spaniel
    Hi there- Dah! Sounds like this chick gave you an example of the dynamics of "oppressed group behavior". Heck you could even fly that past her but why fuel the needless debate. Truly I do think there is SO much of this type of behavior even in advanced nursing. If we don't respect ourselves ( as nurses), no one else will.
    Lookit- I do feel that a Psych NP that practices with complex medical cases would need a lot of med/surg. But hey, there are different ways to practice as an Psych NP. You could potentially even work with a relatively physically stable group with immense psych needs-i.e. college health comes to mind. More and more I'm seeing ads such as these.
    I still lurk these pages because I still would like to have Rx priviledges. However, I too am in my fifties. The one school I loved has virtually no distance component and I simply don't have energy with my almost full-time job.(I do have a doctorate and essentially do counseling-but the rx priviledge would really be nice.)
    By the way, do the professors ever give feedback re the dialogue in your course? I'm not suggesting that they censor by any means, but I would hope that they could stear the class back to its intended purpose(Theory/Ethics,right?)After all it's not a "group process" course. And even with "group process" courses, there are guidelines. Hey, be well, and take care.
  8. by   tridil2000
    Quote from fergus51
    Whoever is telling you that is either naive or a plain old liar. I don't know any BSNs who care for more patients than ADNs and they have been talking about eliminating ADN programs for decades already. It hasn't been done for a variety of reasons. I have a BSN and can tell you it wouldn't be safe for me to look after 8 patients.:chuckle
    shoot!
    they can have the 8 pts! and i'll keep the 4!!!


    staffing problem solved!
  9. by   krisssy
    Quote from Anon Nurse
    Krissy, shut this lady out and forget her. She's full of sh**. You will find this kind of rudeness everywhere. Did anyone else in the group counter her argument? How is the group responding? Instead of doubting yourself, why not go on the offensive. Look at this as as a psychiatric "exercise" in how you would handle yourself in such a situation, how you would acknowledge her point of view, present alternative points of view, and agree to disagree with her.

    I think your self-doubts would clear up if you'd find a real-world, meat-space nursing refresher program, either at a local school of nursing or hospital, and get reacquainted with floor nursing. You gave the excuse of not doing this as you have to spend part of your life in Florida every year -- you need to rethink that and tell your husband you can't spend the entire 6 months of every year with him. Or find a program in Florida and spend more than 6 months of the year there. You have to prioritize your life and goals and make a decision. This involves compromising other areas of life.
    I responded to her exactly how you and Buttons 2 cute told me too. In fact, I used Button's exact words. She did not respond, but she is talking to me in a much more respectful way now. One other group member commented that she thought that you needed a lot of med surg experience to be a psych nurse. I resonded to her the same way. She responded that she was able to see my point of view. The professor has emailed me twice commending my writings, and she said that she is finding our groups discussions very interesting ,and she is enjoying reading them!!!

    I do intend to take another refresher course before I apply for a job. I am starting to enjoy the internet course now. The technical and advising support is great, and the professor answers all my emails and appears to like my work. She has picked two of my essays to commend and display.
    Thanks for your advice re. this one nurse. My comments have shut her up, and she has to be noticing thAT I am doing well in the course. Also, she was attempting to take over as group leader and was doling everythning wrong. I was the one who cleared up the mess, and she addmitted she was off base on how she was organizing the lesson fnor the group. Krisssy
  10. by   Louise409
    Hi Krissy--
    I've been lurking here for a while. I love the title of the entire discussion, because at age 47 I'm in the same boat (without the RN degree or experience). I really want to become an NP, and it does seem like such a long road with a lot of hoops to jump through, especially since a few of the hoops don't interest me too much. It's been great watching the transformation you've gone through--you were so scared about the online program, now you're the STAR of your class!!
    :hatparty: :hatparty:
    I'm applying to direct entry Masters programs, then I'll be looking for an online NP program. I've forgotten which school you're going to--could you please give me the info on it?
    Thanks and good luck--you're doing great!
  11. by   krisssy
    Quote from spaniel
    Hi there- Dah! Sounds like this chick gave you an example of the dynamics of "oppressed group behavior". Heck you could even fly that past her but why fuel the needless debate. Truly I do think there is SO much of this type of behavior even in advanced nursing. If we don't respect ourselves ( as nurses), no one else will.
    Lookit- I do feel that a Psych NP that practices with complex medical cases would need a lot of med/surg. But hey, there are different ways to practice as an Psych NP. You could potentially even work with a relatively physically stable group with immense psych needs-i.e. college health comes to mind. More and more I'm seeing ads such as these.
    I still lurk these pages because I still would like to have Rx priviledges. However, I too am in my fifties. The one school I loved has virtually no distance component and I simply don't have energy with my almost full-time job.(I do have a doctorate and essentially do counseling-but the rx priviledge would really be nice.)
    By the way, do the professors ever give feedback re the dialogue in your course? I'm not suggesting that they censor by any means, but I would hope that they could stear the class back to its intended purpose(Theory/Ethics,right?)After all it's not a "group process" course. And even with "group process" courses, there are guidelines. Hey, be well, and take care.
    Hi Spaniel,
    You are a nurse with a doctorate and masters in psychology?
    The end up with the whole thing is that now this nurse in my group really respects me. This change took place because I told her what Buttons told me to tell her, and she sees all the hard work I am doing for the group. The professor commented to me that she finds the discussion in our group very interesting and that she enjoys reading it. Also, she has commended my work posting one essay as the best in my group and posting an another essay for me to see saying it was excellent.

    Now it seems that this nurse and I are working well together, but the other three nurses in our group are not posting at all. The assigned group leader has not set up the work for the week. What do you do in a case like this? Do you go to the professor or what else can i do? should this one nurse and i do what we are supposed to do without the others?

    Krisssy
  12. by   krisssy
    Quote from Louise409
    Hi Krissy--
    I've been lurking here for a while. I love the title of the entire discussion, because at age 47 I'm in the same boat (without the RN degree or experience). I really want to become an NP, and it does seem like such a long road with a lot of hoops to jump through, especially since a few of the hoops don't interest me too much. It's been great watching the transformation you've gone through--you were so scared about the online program, now you're the STAR of your class!!
    :hatparty: :hatparty:
    I'm applying to direct entry Masters programs, then I'll be looking for an online NP program. I've forgotten which school you're going to--could you please give me the info on it?
    Thanks and good luck--you're doing great!
    Oh thank you so much for your kind words. I have had a rough couple of years. I am so happy I had the guts to go to this school,to get my MHPNP degree.
    I love this school. I had a problem at the beginning with not understanding how a computer course works. Their technical support people were great. I also received a long letter from the professor explaining what to do. Now I am doing great. It is called The Sinclair School of Nursing Missouri University Columbia. You should definitely go ahead with your plans. There is a thread going on about direct entry programs where you can get a lot of feedback.I received a lot of knowledge and support from this website. There are also a lot of threads going on about older people going back to school. You just need to check out every website on direct entry programs that you can find. The nurses on the direct entry thread will be happy to give you names of schools. Maybe MU(my school) has a direct entry program. Then just go ahead and apply online. But do it! If I can, you can too. Without allnurses.com ,I never would have even had enough information to do what I am doing. Stay in touch, and let us know what you are doling. Krisssy
  13. by   Louise409
    Thanks for the info Krissy--it looks like a great program, I just may end up there later! Keep up the good work!

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