does a NP average more money than a PA? can NP's work w/out a docs oversight?

  1. 0 i heard NP's make more than PA's on average and can work in many states, without a docs supervision? true?
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  4. Visit  patnshan profile page
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    i heard NP's make more than PA's on average and can work in many states, without a docs supervision? true?
    If you look at the averages, NP's make less. That is generally because of the specialties they choose. Most do primary care, which pays lower. There are more PA's in ER and surgical subspecialties, which generally pay more. In the same job with the same experience, NP's and PA's generally make the same.

    Most states require physician oversight for NP practice, some do not. All should.

    Pat
  5. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    A Physcian Assisitant is Certified, not licensed. They need the oversight fo a physician. A Nurse Practitioner does not. An NP can also open their own clinic in many states, a PA cannot.

    There are many, many threads already on this topic. Please do a search.
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    Quote from suzanne4
    A Physcian Assisitant is Certified, not licensed. They need the oversight fo a physician. A Nurse Practitioner does not. An NP can also open their own clinic in many states, a PA cannot.

    There are many, many threads already on this topic. Please do a search.
    RN, MBA (no NP?),

    PA's are certified, which means we take boards every 6 years for life. In most states, including mine, we are licensed. Pretty broad statement, especially when it is a misguided one
    PA's do need oversight from physicians, that you are correct about. NP's do as well in many states. It also varies, depending on the state. Take a look at the regulations in the state you plan to practice in, rather than take the word of someone who has no idea.

    Good Luck,

    Pat
  7. Visit  Lawnurse profile page
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    Quote from suzanne4
    A Physcian Assisitant is Certified, not licensed. They need the oversight fo a physician. A Nurse Practitioner does not. An NP can also open their own clinic in many states, a PA cannot.
    This is true in almost every state - but not in all - some states have doctors that lobby to keep NPs out.
  8. Visit  Finally2003NP-C profile page
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    Quote from patnshan
    RN, MBA (no NP?),

    PA's are certified, which means we take boards every 6 years for life. In most states, including mine, we are licensed. Pretty broad statement, especially when it is a misguided one
    PA's do need oversight from physicians, that you are correct about. NP's do as well in many states. It also varies, depending on the state. Take a look at the regulations in the state you plan to practice in, rather than take the word of someone who has no idea.

    Good Luck,

    Pat
    Curious,
    Seems like there are quite a few PA's and Docs who read a forum set up for nurses. Arent' there any forums dedicated to PA's and Docs........
  9. Visit  Finally2003NP-C profile page
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    PA's are certified, which means we take boards every six years for life......

    Funny, it seems quite a few PA's and Docs read a forum set up for nurses..... If you have the RN, why didn't you go for the NP instead of the PA. Seems like you are quick to use the poison pen....
    Pretty broad statement, especially when it is a misguided one. By the way I work with two PA's, and there are no problems. We get along without condescension.
  10. Visit  patnshan profile page
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    Quote from Finally2003NP-C
    Pretty broad statement, especially when it is a misguided one. By the way I work with two PA's, and there are no problems. We get along without condescension.
    Thanks so much. This is how we work together at my establishment as well. Check out www.clinicanforum.com for more NP/PA harmony

    Pat
  11. Visit  patnshan profile page
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    Quote from Finally2003NP-C
    :hatparty:
    Curious,
    Seems like there are quite a few PA's and Docs who read a forum set up for nurses. Arent' there any forums dedicated to PA's and Docs........
    I am a fully licensed RN, and I guess I didn't see the signs at the door! Ridiculous post, really.

    So, you want to live in a cave with no input from any of the other members of the vast healthcare system? I am here trying to be cordial, to learn, and to try and dispell fiction being strewn about regarding PA's and NP's. The truth is that we work in harmony in most parts of the country. You didn't want to hear that, did you? :kiss

    How did someone who made such a great post in this same thread make the above post?

    Pat
    Last edit by patnshan on Apr 14, '05
  12. Visit  Gennaver profile page
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    Quote from patnshan
    I am a fully licensed RN, and I guess I didn't see the signs at the door! Ridiculous post, really.
    see comments below

    Quote from patnshan

    So, you want to live in a cave with no input from any of the other members of the vast healthcare system? I am here trying to be cordial, to learn, and to try and dispell fiction being strewn about regarding PA's and NP's. The truth is that we work in harmony in most parts of the country. You didn't want to hear that, did you? :kiss

    How did someone who made such a great post in this same thread make the above post?

    Pat
    Hmm,
    Pat, your posts don't come across very consistant. Let me paste:

    Here you say_
    Originally Posted by patnshan
    RN, MBA (no NP?),---{isn't that somewhat adverserial? If no NP is listed what is your comment to mean?}

    PA's are certified, which means we take boards every 6 years for life.
    {We take boards, so it would appear that you are a PA}

    In most states, including mine, we are licensed.
    {We are licensed, yet, in another post you say you are an RN?}

    Pretty broad statement, especially when it is a misguided one
    PA's do need oversight from physicians, that you are correct about. NP's do as well in many states. It also varies, depending on the state. Take a look at the regulations in the state you plan to practice in, rather than take the word of someone who has no idea.

    Good Luck,

    Pat

    Next you write how the poster didn't want to hear that PAs and NPs get along? Isn't that what the poster did indeed say?

    Seems that this entire thread was initiated with flaming on the mind.

    Checking out,
    Gen
    Not an RN, not a BS, NP, not yet, (hopefully in 2008!!)Graduate entry hopeful
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    Quote from Gennaver
    see comments below



    Hmm,
    Pat, your posts don't come across very consistant. Let me paste:

    Here you say_
    Originally Posted by patnshan
    RN, MBA (no NP?),---{isn't that somewhat adverserial? If no NP is listed what is your comment to mean?}
    My comment is to mean that this poster has no idea what they are talking about.

    Quote from Gennaver
    PA's are certified, which means we take boards every 6 years for life.
    {We take boards, so it would appear that you are a PA.
    This is true. Also was and am an RN.


    Quote from Gennaver
    In most states, including mine, we are licensed.
    {We are licensed, yet, in another post you say you are an RN?}
    In a recent survey of PA's, up to 30% said that they were RN's prior to going to PA school.

    Quote from Gennaver
    Not an RN, not a BS, NP, not yet, (hopefully in 2008!!)Graduate entry hopeful
    Then, hopefully learning that a lot of RN's decide to go to PA shool was helpful to you.

    Good Luck in your studies.

    Pat
  14. Visit  rhp123 profile page
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    Hi, Pat:

    I am a pre-nursing student.

    At a PA program class profile, I do see a girl with a BSN degree.

    I am curious, what are the advantages do you think by being a RN and PA at the same time? Do you work at both roles now? Or you just work as PA only, PA seems to make more money than RN does. I heard there is some requirement that one has to work certain time to keep RN license active.
  15. Visit  patnshan profile page
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    Quote from rhp123
    Hi, Pat:

    I am a pre-nursing student.

    At a PA program class profile, I do see a girl with a BSN degree.

    I am curious, what are the advantages do you think by being a RN and PA at the same time? Do you work at both roles now? Or you just work as PA only, PA seems to make more money than RN does. I heard there is some requirement that one has to work certain time to keep RN license active.
    Hi,

    I do not use both licenses. I keep the RN license so I can tell the RN's that I am an RN :chuckle No, really, I feel it's something I've earned, and may need to use it someday (like to get into a DNP program if they take over the medical world, which I doubt ) It also really does help me in my interaction with both RN's and NP's. They respect me a bit more because of it, I think.

    The BSN is a GREAT preparation for entering a PA or NP program, however you can get into a PA program with bachelor's in other fields and/or significant medical experience. This can be in any area.

    I feel that having been trained in both the medical and nursing model has helped me a great deal. I can teach patients both aboout the actual disease process (medicine) and how to deal with it from a social standpoint, etc. (nursing). All the RN's I know that have become PA's are extremely well prepared, especially when they've had actual nursing experience. Again though, it is not a substitute for rigorous training in diagnosing and treating disease in your NP or PA program.

    In my state, all you have to do is pay your $75 every two years, and you are active with your RN license. IMHO, that has to change. One should need to be practicing in some capacity to keep a license. That would require some of the old folks in my nursing program to actually know what they are talking about in terms of patient care. Of course, I feel that being a PA would qualify me

    Good Luck,
    Pat


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