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No. 10
from zenman
Old Feb 01, 2009, 08:00 PM

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I've also read about physicians that just make cash only house calls. And one psychotherapist (can't remember if it was a MD or psychologist) that did his therapy in a van. He would pick clients up outside their office building and do therapy in his "office" while his driver drove around town. Only $175 an hour!
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No. 11
from kiser56
Old Feb 01, 2009, 11:50 PM
Updated Feb 02, 2009 at 12:17 AM by kiser56

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Originally Posted by core0 View Post
I'll make a couple of points here:
1. It is a very bad idea for a new grad to try to establish their own practice. The transition from school to practice is just the start of life long learning. It takes between three months and two years for a provider to be fully effective in a practice including experience providers that move to different practices. I have yet to see a new grad NP or PA that is fully up to speed inside a year. I know several PAs that own their own practice including one that went to PA school with the intention of opening their own rural practice. None seriously considered actually opening the practice until they had at least six years experience (n~20).

2. There are essentially two types of cash only practices. The urgent care type practices and "boutique" type practices. The boutique practices are usually the result of goodwill built up over years that translates into patient wanting to pay cash for premium service.

3. In an urgent care type setting speed is paramount. This is the result of experience. See number one.

I think that cash only practices are possible in today's environment. However, as AFPFNPGNP stated there are a lot of obstacles. One that was not addressed is that another entity may decide to offer the same services that you are at a reduced price. More than a few deep pocketed companies have gone bankrupt trying to impliment this "simple" business model.

David Carpenter, PA-C
David,

1. I resoundingly agree that a new grad should not even consider an
individual practice until they are sufficiently ready to provide good quality
patient care and be able to handle the volume of patients that he/she might
see during the course of the day and remain treading above water.

2. You should check out this guy's website who I found on the net surfing
about being practice owner: http://www.acchealth.com/ . I guess this
could be considered a boutique type of practice, but in the same regard, it
is reasonable if a patient were using HSA's as their primary source of
payment for healthcare. Using a mixed income model, I believe that profiting from business would not be much of a problem. Also, this is very dependent on the amount of overhead that would come from owning this type of practice including but not limited to property leases or ownership prices, one's own liability insurance, supplies and equipment, ancilliary staff, one's own health insurance, and coverage for days to be off so the practice could continue to run in your absence. I in no way intend to open my own practice right now, but am checking the weather on my community for the need and the demand of this type of practice in the future. If I can become sufficient enough to practice independently, it may one day be an option. Thanks for your insight, I always enjoy reading your posts to consider a different vernacular.
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No. 12
from kiser56
Old Feb 02, 2009, 12:11 AM
Updated Feb 02, 2009 at 12:20 AM by kiser56

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BabyLady,

I respect your point of view.

1. If a patient has the choice between seeing you and paying up front, or another NP that will bill the insurance, which one will they see?

Usually one seeing his/her is required to pay some sort of copay (ranging from 1$-50$). Many offices that I have seen require a patient to pay this upfront before they can be seen. Patients receiving a socialized form of healthcare would probably not be interested in receiving a cash only practice as their source of primary care. These people are not required to often pay any significant copays and would not be willing to pay more for service. Unfortunately for our current social state and socioeconomic status of these individuals, this may also eliminate seeing many patients who are drug seeking individuals which may infringe upon the environment of your practice.

2. Moral issues regarding people telling YOU what tests they think they need run, the care that they need, etc...based on their ability to pay. You'll be a writer of "estimates" rather than a provider of care. Can you live with yourself if you knew they needed something done and couldn't afford it and something happened to them...if they had insurance?

To answer in one word "Yes". As stated earlier, these individuals may qualify for some form of socialized medicine and be able to receive it. If the need is acute, the individual could most certainly be seen in the ED without having to pay at that time. If they could not reach the ED on their own, an ambulance could be arranged to pick up the patient and take them to the ED. The need to marginalize the cost of healthcare is just as important today as it has ever been. Competition is how we as nurses make ourselves affordable as is always stated as one of the examples of being a nurse practitioner. Oftentimes, we are only affordable to the institution who is hiring us, not to the people we are providing care for.

The moral benefits would be to help individuals without health insurance as well as those who have high priced premiums on their health insurance be able to receive primary care in an environment where cost was not a mistifying cascade of charges that insurance companies send you back on a bill everytime you go see your PCP and you are charged for each fee included.

I believe that one (the business owner) would have to continually be aware of the costs of certain procedures as well as referrals for individuals without health insurance. Perhaps if the business became successful, one could work out deals with specialists in the area or companies with specialty equipment to see these patients because they are cash paying individuals. Networking throughout the community would be very important. Patients could also use insurance if need be if the situation arose. Especially those with HSA's that included high priced premiums. Continual review of performance would also be important and the community could hopefully answer you by mail based surveys or telephone based interviews. This would be a cash for service type of business in the sense that I believe where one would receive their health care service need at a price. Like David said though, one would have to possess a great rapport with the community and be a highly competent provider.
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No. 13
from kiser56
Old Feb 05, 2009, 08:49 PM

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ive never done this before, but bump
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No. 14
from nursetim
Old Feb 22, 2009, 06:50 PM

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I did a clinical rotation with them at AHC in Apex. It is a great set up. Dr. Forest is a brilliant fellow and Stephanie is a great NP. If you want to talk about the practice I am at your service.

I to am looking for practice like this out west. Maybe I can partner with a pediatrician to see all the peds I can't.

I agree with David that no NP just starting should practice solo. That's just my belief. I want to be able to get a quick second opinion if I need to.
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No. 15
from Jo Dirt
Old Feb 24, 2009, 12:29 PM

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No matter how good of an idea it seems remember there are probably a lot of others who thought of the same thing and the big money that has its hand over it so there is no chance the little guy can get to it.
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No. 16
from Jo Dirt
Old Feb 24, 2009, 12:34 PM

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You all need to come to Altamont, TN to see the country doctor who takes cash only. His office visits+treatment/procedures+labwork+meds (which he mixes up in his office) costs $20-30.

For the whole deal.

His office it way out in the country, an old block building. He lives next door in a little run down house.

Up until he started getting more frail, he would deliver a baby for around $900. Now, he refers OB patients to the Mennonite midwife in the area.
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No. 17
from Phillip C
Old May 06, 2009, 09:51 AM

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Dr Harboldt delivered four of our children. Back in 1977, he charged $150. Their office was complete with delivery room and recovery room. Most of our children were born in the middle of the night. Sometimes, while we were waiting, we helped sweep and mop the floors. And we talked and talked.

A few years later he raised his price to $250.

Dr Harboldt was a great model of a doctor who loved the people he served. His office was simple. His wife was his nurse. He was a gentle, approachable, kindhearted person.

Sure, he wasn't a specialist. But in the poverty stricken area of Grundy County, Tennessee, Dr Harboldt deserves many accolades!!
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No. 18
from BarbaraNP
Old May 07, 2009, 11:20 PM

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As a independent business owner, I feel I can speak to a cash practice. There are several NP and PA owned practices that are cash only throughout the US. There are several advantages to a cash practice that actually are very cost effective.

For example, in my small practice, it takes nearly 1.5 FTE to handle all the issues of insurance and billing. By taking cash only, my overhead would be significantly reduced...a savings I would gladly pass on to my patients. When someone pays cash, I don't have to be concerned about getting paid or having them take the payment back in 6 months - like insurance companies will do. And they can have the procedures done that their insurance company will not pay for (usually something cosmetic).

Additionally, I see lots of folks with very high deductibles or those that are without insurance. Our rates are much better than the hospital, or even their attached urgent care. Yes there are tests they don't get and/or don't want...but that's true for insurance patients as well (managed care will often deny a request).

Being a business owner has opened my eyes to some very real challenges in providing care that I was unaware of as an employee. It's definitely not for everyone. That said, I think any NP or PA that wants to explore the idea, should seriously look into it. It can be a win-win-win for all concerned.

BarbaraNP
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