Quote from greygooseuria
I am leaning more towards a PhD in biophysics/physiology than an MD degree, but we'll see.
My preceptor this past semester was an MD and he was more a nurse than ANY nurse I have ever met; very holistic and patient-centered, and he went to med school in the 60s, so I definitely do not think nursing has a monopoly on that at all. I find my fellow nurses to be very lacking when it comes to scientific critical thinking skills on the floor, and it is appalling.
I find it funny how people use the justification that organic chem won't make someone a better nurse, but nursing theory somehow creates wonderful nurses. Hah.
Well, I know a lot of people who have taken a lot of science class and are horrible scientists too
And ultimately, I agree with you. If/when I have to take "don't be a douchebag to your patients and listen to what they're saying" classes, I'm sure I'll feel the same as you.
Ultimately I think the quality of the program makes more of a difference than the classes when it comes to what meta-skills you get out of it. I think I got most of my good science thinking skills from working in research but feel pretty good about my undergrad degree also being some useful preparation. The pre-reqs I'm taking now I'm highly critical of and was very unhappy with the level of memorization vs understanding. The difference isn't just the courses-- it's the philosophy of teaching.
And from what I've seen so far, I agree that revamping would be wonderful.
I try to keep in mind that nursing is actually a pretty young profession and as more demarcations happen e.g. CNA vs LPN vs RN vs BSN vs NP vs PA vs MD work I think a lot of the revamping is growing pains. Personally, I would be in favor of an MCAT style pre-nursing school exam rather than GPA based competition, especially for 2nd degree programs. Personally, I think Univ of Washington's work experience/job shadow requirement is awesome (I use them as an example as they are often ranked #1 in the nation).
I'm glad you had a good experience with an MD preceptor and it sounds like you will do great in research if you choose to go that way.
Do you have any thoughts on how students could get more out of nursing school to better prepare them, as you see it?