Two VERY low ball job offers in the last month...(management and leadership!) - page 2
Ok, a little background. I have my background in management which is what I did before I became a nurse. I now have five years nursing experience as well as my ASN, BSN, and my MSN. I have been... Read More
1Mar 14, '13 by JillyRNI agree with HippyDippy completely. With the current market, very few nurses are even in the position to negotiate salary. As a new grad in a highly saturated area with a high cost of living, I had no choice but to take a very low paying new grad position. I've been an RN almost 3 years now, and I don't expect to be demanding a six figure wage anytime in the next two years.
2Mar 14, '13 by Nurse_, BSN, RNI'm in California. I have to say that there's merit to what the OP says about new grad pay, though I don't believe that it is under the New Grad's control to negotiate.
It's Economy 101: high supply, low demand = low $ | high demand, low suppyy = HIGH $$$
New Grad Super users in California: $17 - 20/hr
New Grad RN Centinela: $23-25
New Grad RN CHLA: $26-30
New Grad RN Orange County: $24-29
New Grad RN Los Angeles County: $23-31
It is a low ball offer. Being a DON is a very big responsibility, just doing the paperworks necessary to keep the facility running is headache enough. Red tape after red tape, DONs not only have to maintain the standards of the facility but also their employees. They have to make sure that in-services are up-to-date, that all the titles are covered, that the proper papers have been faxed, so yes... it is a low offer.
Do you have a choice? Yes! Renegotiate or walk away.
It is a sad reality that's why when I read things like job offers and being picky about the shift... it kinda irks me a little. There's a lot of nurses who are stagnant right now and here are some who have a choice but choose to nitpick about it.
5Mar 14, '13 by CapeCodMermaid, RNDo you have experience as a DON or ADON? If not why would you expect to make as much as an experienced DON? And please don't tell people they shouldn't accept a jo. For $17 or $18 an hour. That may well be the only job they can get.
5Mar 15, '13 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorWell... the plan by big business and hospitals (which is big business) of glutting the market with the promise of unlimited jobs and great pay has worked in placing nursing back 20 years. I knew this would happen.
1Mar 15, '13 by CrunchRNQuote from Esme12So true.Well... the plan by big business and hospitals (which is big business) of glutting the market with the promise of unlimited jobs and great pay has worked in placing nursing back 20 years. I knew this would happen.
1Mar 15, '13 by 07302003I've found that unless your previous work experience was *in nursing*, those who hire don't count it as experience. So they're looking at you as having no management experience. So you may have to take a more entry level management salary to get nursing management experience. But, if you decide you want to do that, I'd make sure to get hired in somewhere with growth potential, like one of the big hospital systems. Just my 2 cents.
0Mar 15, '13 by LynnLRNMaybe they aren't well established organizations and they cannot afford to pay more?
2Mar 15, '13 by Racer15Several of the hospitals here just laid off a slew of nurses due to budget cuts, so you'll have to excuse me for not trying to negotiate my pay as a new grad.
4Mar 15, '13 by uRNmywayLol, heck, forget about blaming new grads. There are a bunch of experienced nurses having to take whatever is offered just to be employed. Blame the schools and media who keep insisting there is still a nursing shortage!
1Mar 15, '13 by joanna73 GuideThe unfortunate reality is that people need to work. The economy is dismal, so if the OP declines, they just might find someone who will accept that offer....and they know this.
Also, management within another field does not translate into nursing experience, so you can't count that. Your skills are transferrable OP, and may help in landing an offer, but many nurses have prior work experience, diplomas and degrees.
Nursing is at a low point for sure. More layoffs and restructuring throughout Canada as well, despite the fact that nurses are overworked. It's everywhere.
Continue to negotiate, keep looking for work, or accept the offer. Those are your choices. Hopefully, something better will come along.
0Mar 15, '13 by LadyFree28, BSN, RNQuote from 07302003^This!!!I've found that unless your previous work experience was *in nursing*, those who hire don't count it as experience. So they're looking at you as having no management experience. So you may have to take a more entry level management salary to get nursing management experience. But, if you decide you want to do that, I'd make sure to get hired in somewhere with growth potential, like one of the big hospital systems. Just my 2 cents.
3Mar 15, '13 by lovetheoceanThe diploma mills and schools that award nursing degrees to anyone who has a previous degree in anything from communications to hotel management (BSN express programs) are to blame. The market has been completely saturated with any and everyone who may not have actually WANTED to be nurses, but were sold a line about the "nursing shortage" and the ability to "always have a job." CNN featured a segment about new grads that have not been able to secure their first job in nursing after 2 years. This was unheard of when I entered nursing in the 90's. I have watched the field I enjoy change so much and the whole debacle has created a great deal of resentment in me. Having to work in a field where nurses are now made to give away such hard work and responsibility for so little is a real slap in the face and a setback both professionally and financially. My hope is that people wise up about the fact that there IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE and focus their educational pursuits elsewhere. Sorry if you're offended. It's just the way it is.