Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires - page 5
My workplace, a freestanding specialty hospital owned by a for-profit corporation that operates multiple facilities across the United States, has been having recent troubles with low Press Ganey... Read More
6Quote from AltraIt contributes a topic that generates discussion. And, after more than 50 responses by multiple members, it seems that many people have their opinions on this issue.With all due respect ... this thread, and its placement on the home page ... contributes what, exactly? Does it promote professionalism, camaraderie within the nursing community, or a positive image to first-time visitors to the site?
There are masses of other threads that discuss 'unsavory' topics: addicted nurses, overweight nurses, body odor, cheating, etc. I feel they all have their place on these forums.
1Feb 28, '13 by MulanQuote from mc3If another 24 year old knows how to make the pizza, why not?Yes, but who is the 24 year old going to learn from, when the 50 year old isn't there? Another 24 yr old???
So much of nursing has been learn by experience, trial by fire, sink or swim anyway.
Frequently I've seen new nurses oriented by someone with 6 months or a year experience even when an "older" nurse has been available.
2Feb 28, '13 by QualityNurseRNWhile I understand that basics of what you are saying, ie "don't judge a book by its cover", it is the thought that you "can do the same exact thing" as a more seasoned nurse with 20 years of patient care experience under his/her belt that worries us! There are things you simply haven't seen, and wouldn't know to anticipate. Safe patient care demands an experienced presence in the mix who can mentor and advise less experienced colleagues.
7Feb 28, '13 by BrandonLPN, LPNI have a couple thoughts:
I've never liked the equating of being thin or muscular or physically fit with being shallow or vapid. If anything, I think it should be associated with positive character traits. It requires self discipline, motivation and hard work.
And, yes, of course any facility is in trouble if it doesn't have nurses with a wealth of experience. I don't care how bright and energetic or "up to date" new grads are. Experience trumps all. You don't know what you don't know 'cause you don't know it yet.
7Quote from DeBerhamI'm not jealous by any stretch of the imagination. I mentioned that the group of new hires ranges from early 20s to early 30s. I am in my early 30s, so I am in the same age range of some of these newly hired nurses. Jealousy is not the synonym of observation.What I'd suggest is to get over it. NOTHING good will come from being so superficial. Is it their fault that they're attractive? No. Is it their fault that they are young? No. Are you liable to let your jealousy over SUPERFICIAL things ruin some potential relationships? Yes.
Quote from DeBerhamI do not need an attitude adjustment, but your suggestion was certainly appreciated. I get along with this group of newly hired nurses wonderfully and appreciate the help that they will contribute to ease our staffing issues once they begin to come off orientation.I'll say though that you may need an attitude adjustment just as much as these new nurses because your feelings will translate in to actions in how you treat/interact with them... and then we'll get to read new posts about how we continue to eat our young.
Quote from VespertinasThere are masses of 40+ year-old newer RNs who changed careers or are late-entry nurses in the large metro area where I live, yet management hired no newer middle-aged nurses with one to three years of experience.This post reeks of reverse ageism. You said yourself that the hospital is probably hiring with cost-consciousness in mind so new RNs who are not recent grads are the ideal.
Some people seem to have missed my point, which is that units need a healthy mix of experience and inexperience. Then again, some people are dramatic 'offendonistas' who purposely seek to become offended when no offense was intended.
1Feb 28, '13 by joanna73 GuideRight or wrong, when you're in the service industry, looks are a part of the package, as far as employers are concerned. This doesn't exclude other attributes such as personality and experience, of course. As far as ageism in nursing, it exists for sure....but who has to know? I highlight only the most relevant jobs on my resume, although I've been working for 24 years.
3Feb 28, '13 by FlorenceNtheMachineQuote from QualityNurseRNI agree with you. Fine points.While I understand that basics of what you are saying, ie "don't judge a book by its cover", it is the thought that you "can do the same exact thing" as a more seasoned nurse with 20 years of patient care experience under his/her belt that worries us! There are things you simply haven't seen, and wouldn't know to anticipate. Safe patient care demands an experienced presence in the mix who can mentor and advise less experienced colleagues.
Just throwing this out there, as a talking point to anyone. You walk in and your patient has committed suicide. What do you do? Who do you talk to first? What do you chart? What do you say to the police? What papers do you fill out?
My guess, unless one has been very unlucky, this isn't something one comes across very often. And I'm hoping, if I'm in such an upsetting and touchy situation, I'll have some experienced hands guiding and mentoring me.
I guess my point is that, there are things that only happen once in a blue moon. And if we throw away our most experienced nurses in favor of padding pockets... bad news.
2Feb 28, '13 by RNdynamicWhy are there so many negative theads by certain individuals on this board, aimed at lecturing new grads? It's always the same theme, the same people posting it.
Contrary to most of the sheepish comments here, I applaud the facility in the OP for being one of the few who are so willing to hire large numbers of new grads.
Are people afraid of their unit's power structure being threatened or something? Drop the complex already, guys. New grads are the future. The new graduate nurse's role today is more skilled, more technical, relies on a larger body of knowledge, and it is quite honestly way more difficult now than it ever has been. Here's for a change of pace: I applaud all the new graduate nurses who are starting fresh on their orientations. All of them rock, and the more young faces we have, the better off the profession will be, regardless of whether they are thin or not. I know some people resent hearing this, but the young, new nurses are the ones who bring about change to the profession and they are truly the heart of nursing. New grads shouldn't change to the stale culture of their workplace. Instead, they should be actively encouraged to make the workplace change more to their liking.
It is my belief that their young, vibrant personalities and skill with technology will make them far superior nurses than their predecessors have ever been, and I applaud them for that. To all the new grads out there: Holla. Rock on, and continue to show your confidence. You're doing great, and you are fine the way you are.
7Feb 28, '13 by ClearBlueOctoberSkyQuote from Jenni811I take exception to this statement. I personally don't care if you smile all the time. I don't care if you don't say hello, good morning and all that jazz. I don't particularly care if you even remember my name.A Patient really isn't going to care how much experience their nurse has (to a certain degree). Their satisfaction scores come from a smily face, a good personality, friendly nurses, good customer service etc. I've never heard a patient give a hospital a low satisfaction score because "My nurse only had 2 years of experience."
What I care about is if you have the skill to make sure that I, or my loved one, will make it safely through the night and into the morning. I want to know that you have the experience and the balls to stand up to the doctor to advocate for our well-being and to tell them that they need to rethink their plan of action. I want you to have the experience to trust your gut when things start to go south.
So yes, I might give a low satisfaction score for lack of experience, because often, that lack of experience will shine like a beacon when it comes to patient care and low confidence in the ability to handle the curveballs.
2Quote from RNdynamicI am the OP. My facility hired no new grads.Contrary to most of the sheepish comments here, I applaud the facility in the OP for being one of the few who are so willing to hire large numbers of new grads.
None of the new hires are new grads, as my workplace would loathe having to spend staggering amounts of money on 3-month new grad orientations. They all have anywhere from one to six years of experience.
I also notice that my workplace hired no 45-year-old newer nurses, even though plenty of 'older' second-career new nurses are looking for work in the metro area where I live.
15Feb 28, '13 by woohQuote from Jenni811So you think the only thing you'll learn over the next 10-20 years is how to work on your unit? Not a single bit of experience that would carry over to being a better nurse somewhere else?I don't need a nurse who is a new hire who has 10-20 years of experience because they are just as new as i am to that unit. We are learnig the same things and at the same pace.
I better quit calling my mom for advice. After all, she's never lived in the state that I live in, so what would she know about life...