Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires - page 2

My workplace, a freestanding specialty hospital owned by a for-profit corporation that operates multiple facilities across the United States, has been having recent troubles with low Press Ganey... Read More

  1. Visit  PureLifeRN profile page
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    These kind of posts amaze me.
    If any young, new nurse writes a post stating that a bunch of old, crotchety nurses are mean to them, well then they get ripped a new one. But when its the other way around....hey...its ok.

    I've noticed its popular to be judgemental of newer nurses on this forum. But never to older ones.

    There is nothing wrong with being a new nurse who is excited to take care of patients and have a great personality. Just my two cents.
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  3. Visit  Violach profile page
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    Yes, they were. I remember when I went through training, the first day of class, the instructors made all of us stand up and started making statements like, "If you are a man, sit down.... If you are older than 30, sit down.... if you are married, sit down...if you weigh more than 130, sit down..." At the end of this demonstration, only a couple were left standing. She was trying to show us how strict the hiring requirements were for flight attendants/stewardesses back in the 60's and 70's. My graduating class was quite a mix, though. Young, old, men, women, different ethnicities. It has changed dramatically.
  4. Visit  Jenni811 profile page
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    Quote from xoemmylouox
    Well we are having a big problem with turnover. Again.. Mostly hiring people with very little to no experience only. I'm sorry, but you need a mix. You NEED those who have the experience to teach the newbies how to do things correctly. It's insane. We have pushed out everyone with any decent experience. I've been here over 5 years and I'm afraid that my time is coming too. Of course our patient satisfaction scores have dropped significantly. Oh yeah and actual patient care sucks. I look at the way we provided care even as early as two years ago and then I look at how we provide it today. It's pathetic at best.
    Wrong. We as new people need the nurses who have already been there for years. I don't need a nurse who is a new hire who has 10-20 years of experience because they are just as new as i am to that unit. We are learnig the same things and at the same pace.
    And it goes both ways...they expect me to learn as quickly as this other nurse. They hold me to the same expectations as any nurse on that unit once i got off orientation. Yes i appreciate my older nurses and look up to them, depend on them for their expertise from time to time. but just because im new doesn't mean i don't have the skill to do it myself or look it up myself with the resources provided by the hospital.
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  5. Visit  Jenni811 profile page
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    Quote from PureLifeRN
    These kind of posts amaze me.
    If any young, new nurse writes a post stating that a bunch of old, crotchety nurses are mean to them, well then they get ripped a new one. But when its the other way around....hey...its ok.

    I've noticed its popular to be judgemental of newer nurses on this forum. But never to older ones.

    There is nothing wrong with being a new nurse who is excited to take care of patients and have a great personality. Just my two cents.

    Thank you!!! If i were to make this post about old nurses saying we shouldn't be hiring them id be starting a war on here. But when "old nurses" post this about new/young nurses its totally ok. I personally find this post offensive and i plan on reporting it.
    KimberlyRN89, RNFiona, barnstormin', and 1 other like this.
  6. Visit  netglow profile page
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    But it's true in some facilities Jeni811. It's not about healthcare kiddo, it's only about $$ and how to gets more and more and more of it. I am sure your P90 hot guys are instant hires as well.
  7. Visit  anotherone profile page
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    well where i work all that get hired are new grads ( probably all that apply) some are ok work wise others are horrible!!!!!!! they vary from great looking to not , thin to fat, most are not young ( over 35) and some are friendly where as others are rude even to pts. my manager doesnt seem to know how to hire people. probably takes anyone that applies, has a license and no criminal background. 1-3 years experience on my unit is a very experienced nurse!!!!! turnaround is unbelievable!!!!!! but dont wory experienced nurses , my facility will hire you because you wont be getting paid much more than a new grad. lol.....many pts want the older nurses because they think they are more experienced but that is very far from the case on my unit.
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  8. Visit  anotherone profile page
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    sometimes it is not ageism, it is business! you are priced out. ( some hospitals actually dont pay experienced nurses that much more money) and some managers like new staff they can mold tgeir own way. they dont want anyone witg any ideas or who does things differently ( better or not!)

    if experienced staff was more cost effective than they would be more sought after. believe me . look at physicians . yes, the hot /beautiful ones may get better scores but how many sane people reallly seek out a dr based on looks or age? i see it work against residents for the most part who look so young . i might be more comfortable witha younger dr ( feel like s/he judges me less more comfortable talking to him/her but the typical pt doesn't, i dont think care that their dr is good looking)
  9. Visit  KittyinNj profile page
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    I came into nursing as a 2nd career. First career paid 2 x as much and didnt have to deal with miserable old nurses.

    When i tell people i was in pharma the automatically assume i was in sales because i look like a model. Hey their words not mine LOL!

    Anyhows, I think floors should have a good mix of younger and older nurses. Its nice when the older nurses can teach the younger ones!! As for patients who may give better ratings based on looks? I highly doubt that! Now if your a great nurse + great looks then thats wonderful. You can also be old fat slow and still be a good nurse if you want.

    On the other hand, I dont know how a nurse with 20+ years of experience who weighs 250lbs can be as agile and flexbile as me who is 130 lbs and works out. as for them hiring younger nurses, its because theres high turn around. My floor has hired 15 new grads and we are level 1 trauma center along with top 50 hospital rating.


    Who in their right mind would want to do floor nursing and blow out your back at the age of 40 with the need of nerve block shots? not i, thats why floor nursing is a stepping stone not a finally nursing career choice for me.

    And as for the miserable older nurses, find something that you enjoy doing and dont eat your young, because the young can eat you too


    ciao
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  10. Visit  DeBerham profile page
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    Jenni811 hit the nail on the head, it's about $$$. Shockingly, inexperienced nurses (those with 1-3 years of experience) are cheaper to hire than an experienced nurse. Additionally, those coming out of nursing school are typically young and attractive as 22 to 25 year old females are apt to be. What I'll also say is that as a male I never had to deal with the garbage that the more... experienced... nurses dealt out to these new grads. That isn't to say I didn't hear about it, probably since I wasn't viewed as any type of threat to the pecking order. I even had one nurse tell me that the nurse manager was purposefully hiring attractive people to work the floor. That made me chuckle a little bit. What I'd suggest is to get over it. NOTHING good will come from being so superficial. Is it their fault that they're attractive? No. Is it their fault that they are young? No. Are you liable to let your jealousy over SUPERFICIAL things ruin some potential relationships? Yes. If you see that they are not acclimating the the job/culture (ie cell phone use while patients need something) let them know. I'll say though that you may need an attitude adjustment just as much as these new nurses because your feelings will translate in to actions in how you treat/interact with them... and then we'll get to read new posts about how we continue to eat our young.
    Last edit by DeBerham on Feb 28, '13
  11. Visit  Nurse_ profile page
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    If good looks equals good patient outcomes... by all means, go for it.

    This is a for-profit hospital. Let that sink in for a minute. The hospital just employed another marketing ploy. Just like Victoria's Secret models and their perfect body sells to average consumers, who will most probably never look that good in a bikini.

    We say don't judge the book by the covers but we do it all the time. People who are deemed attractive, not necessarily young or slim, gets hired more than those who aren't. There are multiple studies about how attractiveness gets people more money and success in life.

    Is it wrong? I don't know. Is it the fault of the "attractive" person that s/he is perceived attractive? Is it the fault of the knowledgable nurse that her/his knowledge doesn't come across the patient? Is it wrong for a for-profit company to maximize the potential for earnings by hiring attractive people?

    It all comes down to, can these attractive nurses deliver safe patient care? And if they can, I don't see anything wrong about it. Because if they got hired by their looks, looks fade, everyone goes old and sooner or later, the new generation will come and take their spot.
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  12. Visit  That Guy profile page
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    I got hired because I am a guy

    My friends got hired because they are young and attractive

    Blah blah blah. This crap gets old
    RNFiona, tnmarie, Rags2Riches RN, and 9 others like this.
  13. Visit  jadelpn profile page
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    Quote from Jenni811
    I don't think it is about looks. We too have hired alot of young, female, smaller build nurses. The turn over rate in hospital is huge, what nurse in their right mind would actually WANT to go back to bedside nursing?? A nurse in their 40-50's has probably figured it out and has been at the bedside and wants to be done at the bedside. So they leave it up to the young ones who need to figure that out, and need to gain experience before going anywhere else.

    Oh trust me, i've heard our experiened staff joke around with things and let me tell you, it actually hurts. They all crack jokes about how it should now be a requirement that "You are under 30 years old, slim with brown hair and a bubbly personality." I fall under that category of "Slim, young, brown hair"...im not an idiot. but the question i have for them is, do you ever think to look beyond that?? How about the fact i graduated with a 3.7GPA and made the deans list 4 years running. how about the fact i worked nights as a CNA while attending nursing school? How about the fact i have worked my butt off getting certifications in things you probably never heard of. How about the fact that my computer skills are far more superior than the 50 year old they just interviewed that can hardly even type? Look BEYOND the surface of these people.
    Yes, i think hospitals are hiring young, new grads because the are cheaper. It's a smart business move. if i were running a business and had to pick between a 55 year old with a great personality, 25+ years of experience and wanting $30.00 an hour and a 24 year old with 2 years experinece with a great personality and wanting $24.00 an hour...i would choose the 24 year old. The hosptial wants great satisfaction scores. A Patient really isn't going to care how much experience their nurse has (to a certain degree). Their satisfaction scores come from a smily face, a good personality, friendly nurses, good customer service etc. I've never heard a patient give a hospital a low satisfaction score because "My nurse only had 2 years of experience." So the way hospitals are shifting now days...experience really doesn't matter. I can do the same exact tasks as any nurse on my floor.

    Im 24 years old, and i am already training to be charge nurse...i have an orientee with me that has a daughter 1 year old than me. Sure, she has admitted to feeling a little uncomfortable with me being her superior. She has stated once she got to know me that has changed. She has taken me seriously.

    yea i do feel a little offended beause people judge all these newbies coming in. Look beyond that, get to know them. No i do NOT have my smart phone out all the time. I am professional when i am at work. yes ill pull it out on my break...because that is my BREAK, that is my time for me to be me and do want i want to do for 30 minutes. So yea...all in all, i have to say hospitals are making a smart BUSINESS move by hiring young, new and eager nurses to work the floors. They are cheaper and can do the same exact thing as any other nurse on the floor. I'm probably repeating myself a lot but think about it...
    The ego that comes off on this post is overshadowing a great deal of your points. "having certifications you have never heard of" and "superior computer skills" of that of a 50 year old is telling. It is lovely that you are so certified and computer literate and "already training to be a charge nurse" but something to think about-- you are ignoring the moon to count the stars. When the poop hits the fan and you have a patient crumping, critical thinking under pressure is the most important quality. And that is learned by a more experienced nurse. And when someone is coding, they certainly don't think about kumbya moments, or how awesome one's hair looks when they are doing compressions. And no one smiles at a code. You can have 152 certifications, but unless one practices them, they are not worth the paper they are printed on. And rescue Annie and plastic appendages and power point presentations are not akin to the real thing in real life. No matter what they tell you. If your orientee is not a new grad, then by all means, learn from her and each "older" member of your team. Because when it gets down to the REAL reason we are all at work, experience DOES matter. And I have never heard a patient's family say WELLLLL that code didn't go so well, but gee whiz the nurse was sooooo bubbly, like a fresh spring day!!!!!
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  14. Visit  Mulan profile page
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    Quote from Jenni811
    It's a smart business move. if i were running a business and had to pick between a 55 year old with a great personality, 25+ years of experience and wanting $30.00 an hour and a 24 year old with 2 years experinece with a great personality and wanting $24.00 an hour...i would choose the 24 year old. The hosptial wants great satisfaction scores. A Patient really isn't going to care how much experience their nurse has (to a certain degree). Their satisfaction scores come from a smily face, a good personality, friendly nurses, good customer service etc. .
    Very true.

    It was a hiring technique several years ago, and apparently still is, hire for attitude (personality), you can teach the skills, you can't teach attitude.
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