Working with a nurse who isn't allowed to admin narcotics? - page 2

I lady I work with got in legal trouble, didn't report it to the board when renewing her license and now is on probation with the board. According to the files on the board's website she isn't... Read More

  1. Visit  wish_me_luck profile page
    Here's how someone explained it to me--if you are an RN and an LPN gives your oral narcotic, then you go do their IV things for them (sans PCA pump or any narcotic); you get your supervisor or upper level (even charge nurse) to do IV narcotics.

    I am surprised that the NM doesn't know because if that person has a Board Order, then usually they are in a monitoring program. Monitoring programs have forms that must be filled out. Therefore, one must disclose this information to the NM. Are you sure that the NM isn't trying to protect the privacy of the nurse?

    How long have you been giving her narcotics? I know in Virginia, standard narcotic restriction is 6 months and then it is on a case by case basis after that--if you mess up, it is longer. If you fly on the straight and narrow, then you will not have the restriction as long. I am just wondering if that nurse only needs it done for a certain amount of time.
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  3. Visit  ekramona profile page
    I think it is really rude of her to ask people to give her narcs without offering to do anything in return. In your position I might just say to her that I am just too busy, unless she can do a dressing or hang an IV for me. Regarding her other restrictions, it is probably best to not get involved unless it directly affects you. Your manager and HR are probably well aware of her restrictions and are handling the situation as they see fit. No reason to step in to that one unless you want life to become more difficult than it needs to be for yourself and everyone involved.
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  4. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page
    You won't necessarily know what your nurse manager has discussed with your colleague about her license limitations. You're not supposed to know these things; it's confidential. But if another nurse is ALWAYS asking you to pull and administer her narcotics -- especially on a busy surgical floor, that's an enormous imposition on your time. You have to assess the patient's pain level, make sure the medication ordered is appropriate, pull it from pyxis, administer it, and then reassess the pain level later. I'd want to know two things: first, that this nurse really is not supposed to be administering narcotics. That means a discussion with your manager. And then if she is not supposed to be administering narcs, you need to work out a fair re-distribution of labor. That means if you're busy medicating her patients, she could be doing your hourly glucose checks and recording them, or starting your IVs for you -- or whatever you really hate to do that she could be doing for you while you're busy with her patients. It's up to your colleague to take on an appropriate level of YOUR work to make up for HER work that she's asking you to take over. If she's not doing so, I'd speak to her about it, and if nothing changes, I'd speak to the manager. You can't let her patients go unmedicated just because she's slacking.
    Pepper The Cat, SE_BSN_RN, wooh, and 3 others like this.
  5. Visit  subee profile page
    I work with nurses in recovery from addictions. It does strike me as a poor choice of units for not where she needs to be with narcotic restrictions. However, lets assume that it's the only job she could get (for discussion's sake). It is totally appropriate for you to offer to do her narcs IN EXCHANGE for her doing a task for you. Ruby's right on with ideas. Also, the nurse may be to ashamed to bring her restriction out in the open (that's too bad because she's wasting a lot of emotional energy trying to cover up what is perfectly obvious to everyone else). The nurses who make the best recoveries are honest with the staff when they return to work and are SUPPORTED by the staff, not vilified. I don't know about working with students - have never seen that restriction in my state. Just remember, she is really, really struggling.
    OCNRN63, SE_BSN_RN, poppycat, and 1 other like this.
  6. Visit  Bringonthenight profile page
    Talk to your NM.

    Also do you feel comfortable administering a narcotic when you weren't the nurse who performed the pain assessment?
  7. Visit  blackvans1234 profile page
    Bad nurse: Hey squatmonkie, can you give narcs to the patient in 403 and 404?
    Squatmonkie: Sure, while i'm doing that can you round on my patient in 408 and retake the vitals on 412?

    You scratch my back, i'll scratch yours.
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  8. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
    I worked with a nurse who was in a monitoring program when I worked at a rehab ortho trauma, SCI, etc, a lot of Schedule II's and narcs were given. We were informed by the NM and the nurse as well. I would assess pain, administer the med, and reassess. Since the unit also had vents, the nurse assigned to cover pain meds was not assigned a vent. She was very helpful, and made sure if someone was giving narcs, she was checking on one of our pts or doing accu checks. She was on a six month monitoring program. Some nurses were not as receptive to helping her. She lasted nine months, and was able to give narcs by the seventh month. Looking back, I hope she was able to recover, especially after she was willing to share how she diverted.
  9. Visit  jennilynn profile page
    Where I work, they just put the no narc nurses as charge. Our charges don't take patients and there are plenty of others around to witness for the nurses that need it.
  10. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
    Quote from jennilynn
    Where I work, they just put the no narc nurses as charge. Our charges don't take patients and there are plenty of others around to witness for the nurses that need it.
    Um I dont know how I feel about that. Charge should be someone who's judgment can be relied on. And even if we are all human and make mistakes i'd question the judgement of a nurse found guilty of diversion....
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  11. Visit  jennilynn profile page
    I know, right?
  12. Visit  beckyboo1 profile page
    Quote from squatmunkie_RN
    I don't think she can pull narcs from the Pyxis. But I've seen other illegal things she's done on the floor relating to narcs. The NM and I are not on good terms, she most likely wouldn't believe me. The person involved in the illegal narc distribution with her is a fave of the NM. That persons word would be taken over mine, and I don't have any proof of what I saw either. I think I'm going to keep quiet and wait for the s to hit the fan. It's coming.
    Hold up, you saw on the state board's website but you don't have proof of what you saw? If you aren't on good terms with your NM, perhaps just drop a line to HR. I don't know if that's how it works, but you would think HR would check any nurses for disciplinary actions against their licenses.
    I have worked with someone who had a restriction against giving narcs. We just made the best of the situation at the time.
  13. Visit  lmccrn62 profile page
    This nurse expects a lot for nothing in return. She needs to be spoken to and what your expectations are to assist her that she can continue working. If you are not tight with your manager there is always a compliance hot line that staff can call anonymously. It maybe helpful to get the word out. Another thing is if you have addressed it with your manager it can be escalated up to the CNO. They are ultimately responsible for nursing!
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  14. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
    Quote from blackvans1234
    Bad nurse: Hey squatmonkie, can you give narcs to the patient in 403 and 404?
    Squatmonkie: Sure, while i'm doing that can you round on my patient in 408 and retake the vitals on 412?

    You scratch my back, i'll scratch yours.
    Why did you label her "bad nurse"?
    Meriwhen likes this.

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