Why is it MEN seem to get along better in this field than WOMEN??!!! - page 12

Hello this was brought up to me so now I'm sharing it with you all, I had a new R.N. nurse come to me in tears because another R.N. treated and talked to her very badly when she asked her basic... Read More

  1. by   teeituptom
    Quote from 1guy2pups
    I'm not a young guy and worked in many different occupations. The best environments existed when there was a "good" ratio of men to women (subjective - it depends on group dynamics) and when I hired work release inmates. Regardless of their history, they were the most motivated and consistent workers I had. Yes, groups of felons were often more enjoyable to work with than groups of women. (Don't bother flaming me - I'm at the burn center already! :chuckle )

    I am constantly baffled by the group dynamics of most all female nursing units. Why is it that they can't get along with each other? A group of guys will just set a pecking order and be done with it, whereas the women look like a bunch of plucked chickens pecking each other; peck, peck, peck.... all day long. It can be a real ugly scene.

    Looks like I'm having fried chicken for dinner.

    C'mon girls, stop *****ing at and about each other. Women are supposedly the tender, caring, and supportive sex. Add "team player" to that description and the workplace will be enjoyable. Nobody, especially men, like to listen to *****ing.
    How can you eat fried chicken in a burn unit
  2. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    It seems to me that there are basic differences that you can see in very young males and females, and if you think about it, they make us better suited to our roles in keeping the species going. This isn't original with me--and it takes volumes (which do exist, by the way) to describe and support it all.

    Be that as it may, I suspect that when we find ourselves dealing with persons with personality disorders, we tend to see the exaggerated behaviors as characteristic of the members of the gender as a whole.

    I've run into a few--males and females--who were creeps and a whole lot more (thank God!) who weren't. The creepiness did seem to run along the gender lines we've been debating. And I notice in myself that when I am overtired or irritated, etc., that that runs along gender lines.

    But then, I do have a gender! (Thank God again!)
  3. by   watersnake
    Hey, Zs.

    I have been associated for a lot of years with women in Health Care. And dating, marraige, et.c. . Let's face something here, first off, for all the sensitivity we can muster, I can't name you a man who understands the subtleties of a womans thought, affect and behavior. We have in some ways not crossed the Neanderthal stage.

    WE HONESTLY DON'T KNOW that sometimes we have said something offensive, or failed to pick up on what you have said, or even that you were trying to get our goat. With the great majority of us, it is not intentional. Lemmee level with you on something, sometimes guys get together to compare notes as to what they did to upset the damsel. Occasionally, someone has some background knowledge of somethiong going on with them, but for the most part it ends up..."You got me...".

    We also mark our territory by leaving socks and underwear near beds and bathrooms. Instinctive as the goose flying south.

    Hope this helps....Snake
  4. by   Kyriaka
    Quote from Jailhouse RN
    Bottom line is that men don't hold grudges like women. If I get into it with a male co worker we can still work side by side and by the end of the shift we would buy the other a beer. Ladies, "Say what you mean and mean what you say." Makes life much easier.
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    Oh, yeah! Totally agree.

    I didnt know you were a HAM, Jailhouse. My brother does contests from the station at Galapagos! If you ever want to visit the station there///just let me know!
  5. by   bluesky
    This is a really inflamatory and just plain lowsy premise. Yes, nursing is female dominated and yes, nurses have difficulties getting along with each other. But did it ever occur to you that there really isn't a strong correlation between the two? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reasons we have problems getting along with each other have to do with the stresses of the JOB ITSELF? I have worked in the hospital setting for many years, and am married to a male RN. I categorically do not share the observation that the men I've worked with (ER, peds and soon SICU) have been immune to the pressures and quarrels that we are all so familiar with.

    Lastly, it truly saddens me to see bright young women succumb to such a blatant and chauvenistic condemnation of their own gender.
  6. by   Kyriaka
    I currently work in publishing and that is one industry where women can do well. Many midlevel, senior and executive managers are women in my company and I can't say that I find much back stabbing and pettiness at all.
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    I have mostly been in sales. And most salemen are in fact men. And all salespeople are agressive and to the point. So I thought it was great. Because I am that way. In sales there is chit chat but then it is business. Clean and simple.

    I personally prefer to work with men.

    Since I have worked in both enviroments, I did find a differance.

    When at work I work. Period. I do not go on "lunches" or out socially with the people I work with. I eat by myself, and do my job only. And really that is the way it should be.

    I am there to work not to socialize. I could care less who your boyfriend/girlfriend is, who your husband/wife is, who your husband's girlfriend is, what your kids are doing or not doing. Whether you are married, single, or divorcing. Keep your home life at home! Whether you are a man or a woman.
  7. by   Kyriaka
    My poing (such as it is) is that many of these problems can be avoided if people go to work to work and not to socialize.

    A small amount of chit chat is acceptable but I never talk at work to someone off--subject for over 2 min.

    I owe my employer and my boss better.
  8. by   Kyriaka
    [QUOTE=Kyriaka]My poing (such as it is)
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    that would be point!
  9. by   career2
    For all the women that report better behaviour with Men around. Guess what? In work places that are mostly male, the guys behave much better if there are women around. Its good to be different


    Quote from susanna
    No, but hey. Instead of being afraid of perpetuating a problem that has turned in to a sterotype, sterotype turned in to a problem, then edged back in to a sterotype that continues to yada yada yada ...Lets put our foots down and focus on this problem as if its very real so that we can solve it. Because it is real to a big proportion of us.


    I really want to hear the guys here tell us honestly what they see and think we should change about ourselves to work better. I really think it would help. For me, all I ever see the men do around me when something's going sour amongst the women is roll their eyes amongst themselves or quietly crawl in to a corner. Lets hear some hard criticism from the guys...
    Or, from some of the women here who have great relationships with their women colleages...
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Kyriaka
    My poing (such as it is) is that many of these problems can be avoided if people go to work to work and not to socialize.

    A small amount of chit chat is acceptable but I never talk at work to someone off--subject for over 2 min.

    I owe my employer and my boss better.
    This is a really good point.

    steph
  11. by   bluesky
    Quote from Kyriaka
    My poing (such as it is) is that many of these problems can be avoided if people go to work to work and not to socialize.

    A small amount of chit chat is acceptable but I never talk at work to someone off--subject for over 2 min.

    I owe my employer and my boss better.
    Yeeesh. Abstaining from some of the more deleterious and unprofessional aspects of conversation doesn't mean not socializing at all... I'd hate to work in an environment where coworkers didn't socialize, joke, tease, etc. BORING!

    What I owe my employer is to perform my duties to the best of my ability, not to behave like an automaton. In this field, your coworkers won't trust you if you are aloof and removed. Work and social behavior are NOT mutually exclussive- in fact,they exist in a healthy balance ideally. Of course when one element is over-emphasized (socializing ahead of work ethic, etc) the workplace suffers.
  12. by   fergus51
    I find the night goes by a lot faster with socializing. It doesn't cut into my work time, but I find it helps build comradery and a feeling of teamwork on the unit when you are friends with some of the people you work with. I would have missed out on some excellent friends if I had limited non-work discussions to 2 minutes or less
  13. by   Kyriaka
    In this field, your coworkers won't trust you if you are aloof and removed.
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    Is it trust..or is it that you are not with the "group"??

    That's fine. I have no problem with that.

    I suppose it was just like in high school. I never was part of the "group".

    I just think that mixing work with socialization causes problems. I think that most men would agree with this. And I think most women would not.

    Not right or wrong. Just causes problems

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